https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18630#M8895 <BLOCKQUOTE>Djordje wrote:<BR /> <BR /> Personally, I never saw a problem or had one (and yes, double curves and tents are quite normal stuff around here) using either GDL Toolbox or ArchiForma. Yes, I also knew GDL, but it rusted quite a bit ... <BR /> <BR /> I also don't see a problem in freeform modeling being offered in a form of a cheap API. Except for NURBS, everything else can be easily done with any of the mentioned. It is all about us, in the end.</BLOCKQUOTE> I suppose that whether or not one has a problem with GDL modelling, really depends, in large part, on their familiarity and fluency in GDL scripting in the first place. Which is where the crux of the problem lies for me; in that, traditionally Graphisoft has had the luxury of being able to refer ArchiCAD users to GDL scripting ( or APIs; more on that shortly) to achieve what wasn't doable within and directly from AC's main user interface. At least for a long time ArchiCAD users have had no other option ( outside the GDL route) short of using third party modellers to resolve this issues as other BIM solutions similarly have suffered from the same shortcomings. But the problem is, for how long is this an effective marketing strategy or even operating protocol whereby you make your customers have to resort to acquiring an additional set of skills and expertise ( having to learn GDL and be good at it) to overcome your product's defeciencies. An analogous scenario, would be like Rolls-Royce requiring their clientele to have to learn the intricacies of automative fluid injection adn dynamics details, just to be able to deal with an everyday oil transmission flaw in the engine of their car. ( Yes, I do consider ArchiCAD to be the Rolls-Royce of the Virtual Building field, <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_biggrin.gif" style="display : inline;" /> , despite it's shortcomings, and yes, I do consider the omission of these basic modelling methodologies, such as extrusion along curved paths, to be serious enough flaws if not shortcomings in the program's engine, particularly in this 21st Century, just as an oil transmission defect is in a car engine). The efficacy of this strategy lies in the assumption or rather hope, that other BIM programs ( Revit, Microstation et al) are also not going to develop these same features in their programs any time in the near future, hence leaving AC users no other option. But given Revit's (for example) rather rapid ascension in popularity and usability within its relatively concise period of existence along with its newly acquired marketing and financial (for the time being) muscle in the form of big A(utodesk), how long before they install these features in their next version that even their own users are clamouring for and in essence for how much longer is this 'GDL-or-bust strategy' of GS going to be viable. Smart money says probably until around Revit v7.0!<BR /> <BLOCKQUOTE>Djordje wrote:<BR /> I also don't see a problem in freeform modeling being offered in a form of a cheap API. Except for NURBS, everything else can be easily done with any of the mentioned. It is all about us, in the end.</BLOCKQUOTE> As for APIs (yes, 'cheap' is definitely the right description), try to create a curved profile in Archiforma or better yet Profiler, with a radius of 5m or greater (either in elevation or plan it doesn't matter) and let me know how the curve resolution looks like up close, or if (without the help of GDL,) you can adjust said curve to look more smoother than it currently looks. Whereas you say that you don't see the problem, I believe that the main problem lies in the fact that GS is basically lobbing off the responsibilty for redressing these problems onto API programmers who may not be able to do as effective a job or produce as precise a tool as would otherwise be written into the AC engine, such that the troubles I encounter as mentioned above basically become Cigraph's problem and no longer Graphisoft's problem. Once again I believe that this is a seriously and erroneously unsound (if not smug) disposition for Graphisoft to assume regarding the handling of these issues. It's basically the same way they ignored the rendering engine for the longest period of time leaving users (in fact encouraging them, in the case of Abvent ) to seek their rendering solutions elsewhere (Artlantis anyone?) before finally deciding to upgrade it in version 9. Nine versions to upgrade the internal renderer??? How long should we wait for the modelling tools upgrade? <BR /> <BR /> Of course therere are always work-arounds ( as I gave my own example of the double curving roof in a previous posting) which is one of the great things about ArchiCAD; it's flexibility. But they rarely ever are, 'easily done', as you describe them. ( the Mesh-tool solution in the aforementioned example took up to 10-15 times longer than profiler would have taken had it been working well; and it wasn't even that accurate, when all was said and done)<BR /> <BR /> <BLOCKQUOTE>Djordje wrote:<BR /> Aversion is more like it; as is aversion in general to any change. While the imagination might be soaring, the MEANS of doing your (mine?) work are so primitive; drawings? Please ...</BLOCKQUOTE> The aversion I was referring to was more so towards stagnation, than it is to change, as you imply. In my personal opinion, there is nothing progressive about GDL scripting, or at least the methodology of it, as a means of creating and modifying 3D models and objects. Sure, it's almost limitless and is quite powerful in the hands of an expert user; as is C++, or Fortran, or COBOL, Turbo Pascal (.... get my drift? ) But in light of the fact that most ArchiCAD users are trained primarily to draw, design and create first and foremostly through graphic visualization as opposed to, say, verbal Coding; wouldn't it make more sense to devise a means with which they can overcome this creatvity barrier in the Virtual Building universe, and which is congenitally attuned to their naturally honed technical and perceptive skills. Is it therefore any surprise that a program such as Sketchup is rapidly gaining in popularity with it's intuitive user interface that is not only easy to learn but more effectively capacitates architects and designers to articulate their ideas in a manner more congruent with the skills they were taught and that they daily use to develop professions and practices? I believe, that for all its power and potential, GDL scripting is nonetheless, simply outdated or is slowly becoming so, as programmers in other fields attempt to abridge the gap between casual user and highly technical and creative tasks. Its the new user-friendly world. In all other aspects ArchiCAD wins in this respect hands down. <BR /> <BR /> I understand that for those of us well versed in GDL this is really a non-issue ( as would indeed be the case for anyone who is an expert in one field whereas everyone else isn't)and was similarly discussed adn likewise dismissed in one of the Wishlist discussions. But as Virtual Building becomes not only more popular but also more conventional, and with more converts streaming in daily from the Flatlands of CAD - converts, who like us, are architects and correspondingly time-constrained, with lives filled with perpetual project deadlines - expecting these new users to have to learn to program to do what they would otherwise easily accomplish in other programs or more conveniently represent by hand on top of having to learn ArchiCAD itself, is to me a most imprudent marketing strategy on Graphisoft's part which should be ( should have been with v9.0) addressed effectively. <BR /> <BR /> <BR /> (sorry for going on too long. but I reallly feel quite strongly about this!) Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:03:32 GMT Bricklyne Clarence 2004-09-10T00:03:32Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18513#M8778 <DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"><R>Dear Archi-Talkers,<BR /> <BR /> We are happy to announce on ArchiCAD-Talk that ArchiCAD 9 will be released in September 2004. Shipment will start with the INT, US and GER versions followed by other localized language versions over the coming months. Based on the results of extensive beta testing we are confident that this version will be the most robust version of ArchiCAD ever. Please check <A href="http://www.graphisoft.com" target="_blank">www.graphisoft.com</A> for the official press release on ArchiCAD 9! And... enjoy!<BR /> <BR /> Bence Kovacs<BR /> Vice President<BR /> <BR /> ArchiCAD Product Management<BR /> Graphisoft</R></DIV> Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:06:55 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18513#M8778 Bence Kovacs 2004-09-01T13:06:55Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18514#M8779 I have just looked through the AC9 demos on AC's web site. <BR /> <BR /> In one word: Impressive!<BR /> <BR /> It's obvious that this time, they've made user experience the first priority. (Dragged copy remains selected, dockable palettes, savable user environments ["profiles"], Lightworks, better PDF integration, etc etc).<BR /> <BR /> Take a look!<BR /> <BR /> Thomas Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:50:49 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18514#M8779 Thomas Holm 2004-09-01T13:50:49Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18515#M8780 Where are the demos? I cannt find them.<BR /> A link please? Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:17:06 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18515#M8780 Anonymous 2004-09-01T14:17:06Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18516#M8781 Here you go <A href="http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac9/newfeatures/" target="_blank"></A><S><A href="http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac9/newfeatures/" target="_blank"></A><A href="&lt;/s&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text=&quot;http://www.graphisoft.com/products/arch ... wfeatures/&quot;&gt;http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac9/newfeatures/&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;e&gt;"></A></S><LINK_TEXT text="http://www.graphisoft.com/products/arch ... wfeatures/">http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac9/newfeatures/</LINK_TEXT><E></E><BR /> <BR /> Cheers.<BR /> Ben Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:20:08 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18516#M8781 Ben Odonnell 2004-09-01T14:20:08Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18517#M8782 I like grinning so i may say that the first impession is that there are very few new features but there is much improved functionality and improvement in usabillity but very very few new features. Just look at the long wish of wishes. Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:32:03 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18517#M8782 Anonymous 2004-09-01T14:32:03Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18518#M8783 <BLOCKQUOTE>oreopoulos wrote:<BR />I like grinning so i may say that the first impession is that there are very few new features but there is much improved functionality and improvement in usabillity but very very few new features. Just look at the long wish of wishes.</BLOCKQUOTE> My impression is quite different: there are many new productivity features. Perhaps some are subtle, but they add up to a must-have upgrade IMHO, even without the new LightWorks rendering engine. LightWorks is like icing on the cake! <E><span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:">😉</span></E><BR /> <BR /> Yes, many wishes are still not granted, so we may have to wish louder. <E><span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:">😉</span></E><BR /> <BR /> Karl Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:20:55 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18518#M8783 Karl Ottenstein 2004-09-01T16:20:55Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18519#M8784 My first and basic wish would be when are we going to get walls that don't have to be vertical?<BR /> <BR /> As for the rest, IMO, it should've been named 8.5 not 9... BUT, the optimization for OS X is very welcome! Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:55:26 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18519#M8784 MarinRacic 2004-09-01T16:55:26Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18520#M8785 <BLOCKQUOTE>Karl wrote:<BR /> <BR /> My impression is quite different: there are many new productivity features. Perhaps some are subtle, but they add up to a must-have upgrade IMHO, even without the new LightWorks rendering engine. LightWorks is like icing on the cake! <E><span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:">😉</span></E><BR /> <BR /> Yes, many wishes are still not granted, so we may have to wish louder. <E><span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:">😉</span></E><BR /> <BR /> Karl </BLOCKQUOTE> I see your point of view but if you take a look to the wish list and polls here only 1-2 made it here. Most of the new features may help in increased productivity but i cannot expect a new version with mostly productivity improvements. <BR /> The only important working feature i see it the text tool. Ok for the docable palletes and the user profiles but if you would have to choose wouldnt you choose the text tool?<BR /> <BR /> I hope the feature list is longer. I was hoping for much more after 2 years <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_sad.gif" style="display : inline;" /> Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:02:47 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18520#M8785 Anonymous 2004-09-01T17:02:47Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18521#M8786 I think its more, if we put in this wish in here what will happen over there.<BR /> <BR /> We all have our wishes and hopes for the coming versions of ArchiCAD but we can't forget that they have to be implemented into the existing code. What I'm basically trying to say is easier said than done, well in this case easier whished than made true.<BR /> <BR /> I, like Karl, belive that there is enough new content/features to warrant a full version upgrade. Just take a look at the new work environment, coverfills and not to forget the seamless DWG intergration, just to name a few.<BR /> <BR /> <BR /> My 2cents.<BR /> Cheers.<BR /> Ben Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:39:02 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18521#M8786 Ben Odonnell 2004-09-01T17:39:02Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18522#M8787 If you have a long wish list and less than 1% of those wishes makes it to the next version then sorry but we are heading nowhere. I means that we will cover the wishes in 100 years.. next time the olympics come to athens.<BR /> You said about dwg integration..Is that critical? Hardly. The text editor was critical and is a great feature. Hatches on slabs roofs etch is another great one. Saves time. They didnt even change the stairmaker witch is the longer poll in the wish list.<BR /> <BR /> Am i going crazy or you are satisfied with what they give you? Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:53:11 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18522#M8787 Anonymous 2004-09-01T17:53:11Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18523#M8788 Depends on who you talk to, about weather DWG intergration is critical or not.<BR /> <BR /> I am very happy with what Graphisoft has given us, content NO, of course some thing, in this case ArchiCAD, can always be better.<BR /> <BR /> Why would Graphisoft fix up stairmaker when we now have Archistair from Cigraph?<BR /> <BR /> It's free too <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_biggrin.gif" style="display : inline;" /> <BR /> <BR /> Cheers.<BR /> Ben Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:25:10 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18523#M8788 Ben Odonnell 2004-09-01T18:25:10Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18524#M8789 well I just found the first glitch with AC9. The Quick time movie clips will not show, no way no how. Downloaded QT 6.5 (the very latest) Installed QT. Tried three different qt movies on AC9's whats new. No go. Downloaded the QT movies to disk. Still can't make them work. Apple and AC 9 don't like each other allready. Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:40:07 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18524#M8789 Anonymous 2004-09-01T19:40:07Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18525#M8790 <BLOCKQUOTE>oreopoulos wrote:<BR />If you have a long wish list and less than 1% of those wishes makes it to the next version then sorry but we are heading nowhere. I means that we will cover the wishes in 100 years.. next time the olympics come to athens.<BR /> You said about dwg integration..Is that critical? Hardly. The text editor was critical and is a great feature. Hatches on slabs roofs etch is another great one. Saves time. They didnt even change the stairmaker witch is the longer poll in the wish list.<BR /> <BR /> Am i going crazy or you are satisfied with what they give you?</BLOCKQUOTE> I totally agree with this statement! The number should've been 8.5...<BR /> It would've been 8.2 if it weren't for the new dockable palettes and user profiles. <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_cool.gif" style="display : inline;" /> <BR /> <BR /> Firm where I work needs free form walls and completely custom columns. Hope 9.1 or 9.2 will solve at least some of the wishlist most-wanted items! Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:41:47 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18525#M8790 MarinRacic 2004-09-01T19:41:47Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18526#M8791 <BLOCKQUOTE>Ben wrote:<BR />Depends on who you talk to, about weather DWG intergration is critical or not.<BR /> <BR /> I am very happy with what Graphisoft has given us, content NO, of course some thing, in this case ArchiCAD, can always be better.<BR /> <BR /> Why would Graphisoft fix up stairmaker when we now have Archistair from Cigraph?<BR /> <BR /> It's free too <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_biggrin.gif" style="display : inline;" /> <BR /> <BR /> Cheers.<BR /> Ben</BLOCKQUOTE> Ben archistair is third party and archiwall and and. Stairs are NOT chairs and tables to be provided by third party.<BR /> <BR /> We were asking for differect section-plan fills for walls (to say smthf basic) and was ignored as almost ALL of other wishes of all users.<BR /> To inform you docable pallets are 5 minutes of work if you have ever made code with delphi or visual c++ and we could live without it.<BR /> <BR /> If you boys say its ok... then we could have NO of our wishes implemented. <BR /> The reason i left autocad behind is they thought we were fools. From version autocad 2000 to 2005 we have features that we ought to see in 1 version skip. <BR /> <BR /> I could shut up if it was 8.3 or 8.5.. but 9???<BR /> PLease make a list of all our polls (or the most visitied ones) and see.<BR /> If OUR opinion does not matter then we should be told so.<BR /> <BR /> I was really hoping for some features of the many asked here and we get only 2 for design (text and hatch). <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_sad.gif" style="display : inline;" /><BR /> <BR /> I am waiting for Djorgie's opinion <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_smile.gif" style="display : inline;" /> Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:04:50 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18526#M8791 Anonymous 2004-09-01T20:04:50Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18527#M8792 <BLOCKQUOTE>Dr wrote:<BR />well I just found the first glitch with AC9. The Quick time movie clips will not show, no way no how. Downloaded QT 6.5 (the very latest) Installed QT. Tried three different qt movies on AC9's whats new. No go. Downloaded the QT movies to disk. Still can't make them work. Apple and AC 9 don't like each other allready.</BLOCKQUOTE> Have you downloaded the techsmith ensharpen codec for quicktime, it can be found at <A href="http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensharpendefault.asp?lid=DownloadEnSharpen" target="_blank"><LINK_TEXT text="http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensha ... dEnSharpen">http://www.techsmith.com/download/ensharpendefault.asp?lid=DownloadEnSharpen</LINK_TEXT></A><BR /> <BR /> as a mac user dowload the AC9 Powerful 3 movie, this gives details of the new renderer running on multi processor G5's. sweet. Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:08:14 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18527#M8792 Anonymous 2004-09-01T20:08:14Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18528#M8793 Somebody said ..........I could shut up if it was 8.3 or 8.5.. but 9???<BR /> <BR /> <BR /> Holy crap plotmakers gone from version 3.1 to version 9 it must be really good now <IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_wink.gif" style="display : inline;" /> Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:14:20 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18528#M8793 Anonymous 2004-09-01T20:14:20Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18529#M8794 oreopoulos.<BR /> I hear what you are saying, I think that you will find that most, if not all of the new features are indeed wishes. <BR /> I belive, from a reliable source, that Graphisoft has a wish list with some 5000 wishes and growing every day.<BR /> <BR /> I agree that maybe some important issues may have been over looked but as I stated earlier there are enough new and fantastic features to warrant the name ArchiCAD 9.<BR /> <BR /> Cheers.<BR /> Ben Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:17:20 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18529#M8794 Ben Odonnell 2004-09-01T20:17:20Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18530#M8795 1) Docable palletes (interface feature) <BR /> 2) User Profiles (interface feature) <BR /> 3) Slightly new menu system (interface feature) <BR /> 4) Magnet tool for selection (work feature) <BR /> 5) Create new stories on the fly (work feature) <BR /> 6) Every layer pop-up shows all attributes (work feature) <BR /> 7) Additions in 2d pet pallet such as simultaneous filleting of<BR /> all edges of a polygon (work feature) <BR /> Cool Hatches in slabs zones... (work feature) <BR /> 9) Text orientation in xrefs (work feature) <BR /> 10) Dimensions and user profiles (work feature) <BR /> 11) Grid layout and fixed width autotext in Plotmaker (work feature) <BR /> 12) Full integration of pdf in plotmaker. No printer driver is needed and the layout of each page is read automatically of the layout page (output feature) <BR /> 13) Internal Text Editor (at last) (work feature) <BR /> 14) Lightworks Rendering engine (work feature) <BR /> 15) Faster<BR /> <BR /> These are the features in the new version.<BR /> Sorry but if they have 5000 wishes that means that they must not include only 15 in a new version.<BR /> As simple as that.<BR /> See the wish list. Please. The most wanted are simply ignored Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:24:07 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18530#M8795 Anonymous 2004-09-01T20:24:07Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18531#M8796 <BLOCKQUOTE>oreopoulos wrote:<BR /> .<BR /> Sorry but if they have 5000 wishes that means that they must not include only 15 in a new version.<BR /> As simple as that.<BR /> See the wish list. Please. The most wanted are simply ignored</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR /> If they granted all 5000 wishes what would they put in ArchiCAD 10?<BR /> <BR /> Probably 4500 bug fixes! Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:32:08 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18531#M8796 Anonymous 2004-09-01T20:32:08Z https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18532#M8797 <BLOCKQUOTE>Lennox wrote:<BR /><BLOCKQUOTE>oreopoulos wrote:<BR /> .<BR /> Sorry but if they have 5000 wishes that means that they must not include only 15 in a new version.<BR /> As simple as that.<BR /> See the wish list. Please. The most wanted are simply ignored</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR /> If they granted all 5000 wishes what would they put in ArchiCAD 10?<BR /> <BR /> Probably 4500 bug fixes!</BLOCKQUOTE> If they have 5000 improtant wishes then it means they have a really bad product.<BR /> And because archicad is great 5000 is just a joke Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:35:45 GMT https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/ArchiCAD-9-is-shipping-in-mid-September/m-p/18532#M8797 Anonymous 2004-09-01T20:35:45Z