topic Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement in Modeling

AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 14:29:55 GMT

Hi,
AC17 is great really, But it's really annoying, In 3D view when I move object (form, wall, slab...) in heigt AC auto change the level assignment. And it is not a good thing !!!

Is there a way to disable this auto-function?

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:22:41 GMT

No one ? You don't have yet encounter this stupid auto assignment ?

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:30:40 GMT

I am afraid this is how it works now.
In such a case you will want to use the Settings Dialog or the Info Box to change the offset values to the desired values.

Or, do this, which may be easier: after elevating the element, keep it selected and use the Relink Home Story command from the context menu or the Edit\Element Settings\Relink Home Story menu command and set the desired Story. It will be relinked to the specified Story without a change in its vertical position.

I would argue with the statement that it is not a good thing.
I think in most cases when someone elevates an element, he wants it to be assigned to the Story it actually falls into vertically.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:38:03 GMT

OMG, it is so stupid... why !!!! I ll will loose so many hours a day reassigning slab, morph and other elements to their own story.

Juste try it, It is not permanent... why ???

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:01:25 GMT

It is even worst than I think : if choose only a few level to show in 3D (ex. Level 0 to 2) , And I duplicate an element vertically (duplicate option, increment), ANY element above Level 2 disappeared. Because It is auto assign to level 3 or 4 or whatever AC17 choose.

As I work With a Level -4 that is a Level only made for 3D model of environment, every little thing I move vertically disappear as it is auto reassigned to level 0.

Please Tell my graphisoft Is going to update to 17.1 tomorrow.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:30:25 GMT

robert wrote:
No one ? You don't have yet encounter this stupid auto assignment ?

Did and argued against too.

Lazlo my main problem is not the auto-assign feature it is that you are not able to unlink some items from story levels or lock them in space. Previously in AC if you placed an item in 3D it would stay there no matter what you did to your story levels. This had the flexibility of working on the 3D and as your design developed you could adjust your final levels as necessary.

Now you need to define your final levels before the final design is completed or you will have to revise and adjust your objects every time it changes. This is the same problem that happened when walls started to move from home stories automatically in AC10-11? which was rolled back. For me the 3D position is senior to 2D, if I decide were I want something the program should not move it by itself.

On 2 projects this created extra work because they are renovations (started in 16) which meant that I have had to create multiple levels to handle the existing elevations and the new ones (which I didn't need to do before 17) and having to keep checking the model against the As-Built to see that nothing moved since I cannot trust that the exiting objects match reality. For example the existing roof of the project will NEVER move regardless of how I assign story levels and now if I am not careful it does.

In the end this means a change in procedure and clicking a lot on the "Reasign Level" icon and or shortcut and as happened before I hope the solution evolves in the next release as happened with the walls.

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Sorry for the rant

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:53:42 GMT

OK, now I think we have two spearate issues here:

1. The fact that elevation of an element will cause automatic reassignment of the Home Story of the element based on its new vertical height.

2. The fact that elements are linked to their Home Story, so if Story Heights change, their absolute vertical position change, which is certain cases is not desirable.

In both cases what I see it that you have situations where the way the program works does not fit your purpose, causing extra work.
I don't think we will be able to decide in each case which method is more useful for more users, it would take a pretty long time to figure out.

So I am seeing here two possible wishes in the form of toggles or checkboxes in the interface which would let one decide how the program should act.

1. A Keep Home Story option. This could be a checkbox to check or a key to press while elevating elements. It would cause the element to keep its Home Story assignment even if it should be assigned to another story based on default program behavior.

2. A lock vertical position toggle. This could be activated in the Settings Dialog of any element. Its effect would be that the program would remember its exact vertical position relative to the Project Origin and it would keep it even if Story Levels are changed. Home Story offset would be recalculated in such a case to keep its vertical height above Project Origin the same.

What do you guys think?

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:05:42 GMT

You have it. The issues are linked but I would phrase them as.

1. As it was in AC16 and before with the option to set to automatic.

2. As it was in AC16 and before, with an option to work like walls.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:36:16 GMT

As ejrolon said, you have it .

1- For every element (wall, slab, beam, morp, object...) reassign to story -> Manual or Automatic Button, check box. And an option check box in their own properties Assign to level -> Freeze level (or whatever)

2- Same as Ejrolon said.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:40:36 GMT

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:40:58 GMT

OK, I will forward this to the guys at Graphisoft.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Rick Thompson — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:55:37 GMT

I find this very frustrating too. Especially with Favorites. In 16 you could be sure when you select an object, wall, whatever it came in where you expect it, but not anymore. It requires extra steps to reset the desired story.. which can be iffy. The "preferences" for Favorites will not hold the settings for ignoring off-sets once you open a pre 17 file (it reverts to being unchecked). I think GS knows that is a bug, but it really came up after RC1, so I don't know... but very frustrating when you are in a hurry (or not) and have to once again reselect and choose the story it always came in on before (ie.. the one you are on.. well, in 2D plan view at any rate).

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Erich — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:31:36 GMT

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Erich — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:35:57 GMT

I first noticed this issue when stretching some first floor walls down a few inches to cover a plate and presto they were assigned to a new level! I mean come on, the other 10 feet of the wall is on the first floor but since I move a few inches into the level below the wall moves?!

Worse still, I didn't realize it was happening until I went back to the floor plan and all my exterior walls were gone.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

David Shorter — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:51:16 GMT

Try moving a hotlink in section. Doesn't seem to change the story plan location
The really bad this is that we end up changing the floor plan display by moving something in section. Not good. Sounds like another program I won't mention.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:30:05 GMT

A video capture I just made, sorry it is French (Abvent support doesn't understand english...)

But You can figure out what sort of problem the new auto level-assignement do. What a mess to move a little bit a wall in section.

http://www.studiogrenade.com/AC17/ac17_niveau.html

NO SOUND.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:25:05 GMT

Hum, don't forget to Hold Group oterwise you can't assign a level...
Seriously Graphisoft? No one in beta testing program ever report this?

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Dukatas — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:19:14 GMT

robert wrote:
As ejrolon said, you have it .

1- For every element (wall, slab, beam, morp, object...) reassign to story -> Manual or Automatic Button, check box. And an option check box in their own properties Assign to level -> Freeze level (or whatever)

2- Same as Ejrolon said.

or to not reinvent the wheel... something like the gravity button....?

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

sinceV6 — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:23:19 GMT

The tracker shows the change while editing. While it is an extra step, you can tell AC to keep the home story. Also, for these type of walls, enable the "show in all relevant stories" display option. You have it set to "show in home story only" so when AC changes (by design) the home story by elevation, they disappear from the original level.

But still, I can see the problems this might generate, and not only with walls, but with any other kind of element, specially with elements that should never move (e.g. site)

A very simple option for EVERY construction element's base: LINKED or FREE.
That's all it's really needed.

If you LATER decide to link some elements to a story, AC should read current element's levels and link them accordingly, THEN they should move with story level changes.

Just my thoughts.
Best regards.

Re: AC 17, Moving in 3D, Auto level assignement

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:05:26 GMT

I just ran into this on my first project in 17 and as far as I am concerned THIS IS A HUGE F**KING PROBLEM WHICH IS GOING TO COST ME HOURS OF WORK AND MAJOR FRUSTRATIONS.

This used to be one of ArchiCAD's big advantages over Revit. One could reassign an element's associated level in 3D without changing elevation. This is a MAJOR loss of functionality.

I will see if I can find workarounds. It looks like the best case scenario means a bunch of extra work doing things that were relatively effortless before. Worst case is that I'll have to give up using ArchiCAD for some project types.