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    <title>topic Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think? in Modeling</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165592#M89519</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Erick wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;No tremendous improvements. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . we're not much faster, don't have many more useful tools, and don't have better looking output (a particular sore point for me, where SketchUp has easily passed AC) than we had three or even five years ago.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Ouch!&lt;BR /&gt;
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Folks, Erick only has 28 posts here but for old-timers like myself, he is a true Jedi Master.  He was posting helpful, insightful comments on previous AC talk forums while most of you were still in diapers.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Which makes these harsh words all the more stinging.  Unfortunately I agree with all of them.  AC does not need a few tweaks here or there, it need a complete rethinking.&lt;BR /&gt;
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I never would have even ordered it were I not on subscription (and in fact tried to get out of my subscription arguing that GS had failed to deliver a true upgrade).  &lt;BR /&gt;
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[SUBSCRIPTION RANT] &lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt; &lt;FONT color="#0009FF"&gt;The subscription model creates a serious disconnect between the quality of the releases and the revenues they generate.  In fact, subscription is the  absolute death knell of innovation.  If the developers know that they need to do great work or no one will buy or upgrade  their product, that is a very effective feedback loop. If it’s good they eat, if it’s crap, they go hungry.  The way it is now, they’re mostly just leveraging the fact that 1) Subscription makes it harder to switch and 2) AutoDesk is almost as bad.  Talk about a lame business model.  &lt;BR /&gt;
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So why subscribe? Well, for the cost savings of course! But this whole argument of cost savings is completely contrived.  Before subscription was implemented (as a “voluntary choice”), upgrades were $400 or $500 (here in the USA).  After subscription was implemented, upgrades are twice that (unless you are on subscription).  It’s like the store that sells everything at twice the price but perpetually has 1/2 off sales. The perception of savings is completely artificial. It's infantilizing.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt; [/END SUBSCRIPTION RANT]</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:32:38 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Chazz</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2010-07-20T14:32:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165557#M89484</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;&lt;T&gt;Mine has not come yet but I am interested in hearing people's reaction.&lt;/T&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:00:32 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165557#M89484</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-06-27T12:00:32Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165558#M89485</link>
      <description>Best pace to start just about any Archicad search in my opinion.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://archicadstuff.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;http://archicadstuff.blogspot.com/&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:32:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165558#M89485</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-06-27T20:32:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165559#M89486</link>
      <description>I just posted a mini review here! : -&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=171817#171817" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=171817#171817" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;A href="&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&amp;lt;LINK_TEXT text=&amp;quot;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/vie ... 817#171817&amp;quot;&amp;gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=171817#171817&amp;lt;/LINK_TEXT&amp;gt;&amp;lt;e&amp;gt;"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/S&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/vie ... 817#171817"&gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=171817#171817&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:31:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165559#M89486</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-06-28T17:31:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165560#M89487</link>
      <description>What is the reason they don't just have us download the upgrade ?</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:23:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165560#M89487</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-06-29T19:23:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165561#M89488</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Steve wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;What is the reason they don't just have us download the upgrade ?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

I am all for that.  I don't need a pretty box sitting on the shelf.  Put that money into development.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:02:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165561#M89488</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-06-29T20:02:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165562#M89489</link>
      <description>The &lt;A href="https://myarchicad.com/" target="_blank"&gt;myarchicad&lt;/A&gt; site was down for service yesterday which I assumed meant that they were setting up V14 for download.  But now that it's back up it's still only V13.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:40:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165562#M89489</guid>
      <dc:creator>Chazz</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-06-30T14:40:48Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165563#M89490</link>
      <description>I got 14 from there yesterday.&lt;BR /&gt;
Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:34:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165563#M89490</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-01T01:34:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165564#M89491</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Barry wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;I got 14 from there yesterday.&lt;BR /&gt;
Barry.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Yeah, but your yesterday is my tomorrow.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:19:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165564#M89491</guid>
      <dc:creator>Chazz</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-01T03:19:55Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165565#M89492</link>
      <description>&lt;IMG src="http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4739/ac14.png" /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
By &lt;A href="http://profile.imageshack.us/user/null" target="_blank"&gt;null&lt;/A&gt; at 2010-06-30</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 05:05:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165565#M89492</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-01T05:05:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165566#M89493</link>
      <description>That's a trial version you are downloading, correct?  Not the licensed copy?  I'm surprised they even have a USA trial version available because my impression is that the USA localized copy hasn't been shipped out yet.  Only INT, Germany, Austria, and New Zealand from what I've read so far.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:58:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165566#M89493</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-01T12:58:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165567#M89494</link>
      <description>Yes. But trial version is full version.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:47:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165567#M89494</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-01T14:47:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165568#M89495</link>
      <description>When you install it you have the choice to install it with the trial/educational serial number or to use your WIBU key.&lt;BR /&gt;
Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:16:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165568#M89495</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-02T01:16:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165569#M89496</link>
      <description>Not again!  14 still has the some of the same frustrating problems as before.  What sort of units is this showing for wall volume ?&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;IMG src="http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9693/volumeunits.png" /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
By &lt;A href="http://profile.imageshack.us/user/null" target="_blank"&gt;null&lt;/A&gt; at 2010-07-01</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:50:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165569#M89496</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-02T01:50:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165570#M89497</link>
      <description>Cubic feet by the looks but you will want to set the extra accuracy to zero.&lt;BR /&gt;
That is the superscript text you see.&lt;BR /&gt;
Set extra decimal precision if you need it.&lt;BR /&gt;
Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 02:03:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165570#M89497</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-02T02:03:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165571#M89498</link>
      <description>The superscript is from the exta accuracy.&lt;BR /&gt;
Extra decimals does not fix it.  I don't think they did anything at all to this part of the program.  &lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;IMG src="http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7100/calcunits.png" /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
By &lt;A href="http://profile.imageshack.us/user/null" target="_blank"&gt;null&lt;/A&gt; at 2010-07-01</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 02:12:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165571#M89498</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-02T02:12:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165572#M89499</link>
      <description>Steve did you get it to accept your key or just running in demo mode?</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 04:45:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165572#M89499</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-03T04:45:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165573#M89500</link>
      <description>Demo. I am away from the office so I don't know if the hard copy is here yet or not. I did get an e-mail that said&lt;BR /&gt;
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"Dear Steve, &lt;BR /&gt;
You have been successfully approved for a 1-year Serial Number. &lt;BR /&gt;
Please follow the link below to access MyArchiCAD.com to obtain your serial number. "</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:53:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165573#M89500</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-07T18:53:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165574#M89501</link>
      <description>Could that be because you haven't upgraded your key?  I upgraded a single license key and my downloaded version seems to be operating as a full version, working from that single key.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Great, because I can prepare/upgrade/migrate office templates while AC14 is shipping and going through customs.  Then by the time CDs arrive, we install it into other computers and template will be ready to go!</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:39:04 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-07T19:39:04Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165575#M89502</link>
      <description>Yes. I am out of town on a camping trip and have not been to the office this week and my internet connections are not so good here.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:56:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165575#M89502</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steve Jepson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-08T15:56:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Have ArchiCad 14 yet?  What do you think?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165576#M89503</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Steve wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;Yes. I am out of town on a camping trip and have not been to the office this week and my internet connections are not so good here.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

So......the question still remains?.....has Archicad14 shipped yet&lt;BR /&gt;
officially to U.S. Offices? Not the demo version, not the trial&lt;BR /&gt;
version......but the official working version????</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:57:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Have-ArchiCad-14-yet-What-do-you-think/m-p/165576#M89503</guid>
      <dc:creator>rob2218</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-07-14T15:57:03Z</dc:date>
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