topic Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends? in Modeling

How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 07:00:18 GMT

Is there a way to have the gyp bd., stucco, or other wall finish material wrap
around the end of the wall?

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 12 May 2014 18:27:23 GMT

The Wall End Tool:

http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/guides/archicad-17-int-reference-guide/user-interface-reference/tool-settings-dialog-boxes/wall-end-tool-settings/

For whatever reason, the page above doesn't show a plan view, but it achieves what you want.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Mon, 12 May 2014 18:53:20 GMT

Thanks Karl!

Never even noticed the wall end tool. Of course, I didn't need it until now as this is the first job I have done using the composite / skin feature of archicad.
Very excited about the time it's going to save. Thank you again for the help!

Karl wrote:
The Wall End Tool:

http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/guides/archicad-17-int-reference-guide/user-interface-reference/tool-settings-dialog-boxes/wall-end-tool-settings/

For whatever reason, the page above doesn't show a plan view, but it achieves what you want.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 12 May 2014 19:12:41 GMT

You're welcome. But, it should blend perfectly with all skins for an even wrap. Hard to guess from just a screenshot what might be keeping it from happening for you.

You could select just the wall and the end (2 items only selected) and save as a MOD (be sure to not check the box to replace the elements with a hotlink to the mod), zip that, and post it here for one of us to look at the parameters.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Mon, 12 May 2014 20:19:10 GMT

Thanks Karl,

I lost so much time yesterday don't have any left to learn the MOD thing. I've no experiance with the MOD feature yet...

Karl wrote:
You're welcome. But, it should blend perfectly with all skins for an even wrap. Hard to guess from just a screenshot what might be keeping it from happening for you.

You could select just the wall and the end (2 items only selected) and save as a MOD (be sure to not check the box to replace the elements with a hotlink to the mod), zip that, and post it here for one of us to look at the parameters.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 12 May 2014 20:58:01 GMT

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry to add learning stress on top of this... Here are the steps to save you time... very quick... just select and save. The MOD file contains just the two elements - your wall and wall end - and their related attributes.

Two posts for two screenshots. This one shows you the command to use after you select those two elements...

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Mon, 12 May 2014 20:58:44 GMT

Took another quick look into the wall end dialog and gypsum board 328126... is not available there - maybe that is the problem - the walls are comprised of materials from the "building materials" and the wall end tool materials are from the fill types which don't include the same listings for fills.
This seems strange to me, because one would expect the wall end tool to have the same selections as the wall?

Just put a marquee around the wall end and saved as a MOD from clipboard thingy. Lets see if this works - nope, it just told me that the extension mod is not allowed

Karl wrote:
You're welcome. But, it should blend perfectly with all skins for an even wrap. Hard to guess from just a screenshot what might be keeping it from happening for you.

You could select just the wall and the end (2 items only selected) and save as a MOD (be sure to not check the box to replace the elements with a hotlink to the mod), zip that, and post it here for one of us to look at the parameters.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 12 May 2014 20:59:56 GMT

...and then this version of a Save Dialog appears (will look different on Windows for you... and for Mac users if the dialog is expanded)...

The key here - in order to have no affect on your file - is to NOT check the box indicated in the screenshot.

Just save the file somewhere, zip it and attach here. It'll be tiny.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Mon, 12 May 2014 21:50:00 GMT

Okay, lets see if it works.

I hope I didn't adversely affect my file when I tried the marquee around the wall end and then save as a mod file from clipboard deal.

Looks like it worked.
So, you can make a mod file of any part of a project that is selected and send to whomever for whatever. Is it too complex to explain the basic difference between hotlinked and not hotlinked?

I remember making a mod file now. It was several years ago I think, but don't remember the hot link part. Definetly don't know anything about the hot link part.

Used to tell people that everything I know could fit in a thimble and felt good about bragging like that because I was pretty sure it wasn't an exaggeration. Guess I need to rethink this whole idea.

Karl wrote:
...and then this version of a Save Dialog appears (will look different on Windows for you... and for Mac users if the dialog is expanded)...

The key here - in order to have no affect on your file - is to NOT check the box indicated in the screenshot.

Just save the file somewhere, zip it and attach here. It'll be tiny.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 13 May 2014 00:56:18 GMT

Easy solution. You selected the 'Cased End' wall end object. Simply switching to the 'Wrapped End' cleaned things up.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 13 May 2014 01:06:13 GMT

Jonathan wrote:
So, you can make a mod file of any part of a project that is selected and send to whomever for whatever. Is it too complex to explain the basic difference between hotlinked and not hotlinked?

You can think of a MOD file as saving clipboard elements to an external file. So, where you might copy and paste within your own file, you can save-as-MOD and send that to a friend, and they can Merge that... and it is as if they pasted your selection into their project.

A Hotlink can be an MOD, part of a PLN, and more. It is a reference to an external file... sort of like an XREF for AutoCAD if you ever used that, other than it refers to Building Model elements.

Easy save-as-mod and hotlink example: suppose you want the same furniture arrangment of desk, chair, waste basket in every office. You could select those 3 elements, save them as a MOD but allow a hotlink to be made. (Allowing the hotlink means that the 3 elements are DELETED from the active project... and replaced with this link to the external MOD file.) The desk, chair and trash can will now appear as a group with square group nodes in your project. You can copy this group into all of the other offices. They all refer to that single MOD file. If you now decide you want a different model desk or chair, you edit just that MOD file... and the new desk/chair combo appears in all rooms.

A since-the-beginning wish for Hotlinks is that we could edit them in-place (the way AutoCAD users can edit Blocks). But we can't. You have to open a separate instance of ArchiCAD to do that (or close and re-open your project.

Things can get very elaborate, too. Don't want to blow you away, but just to give a hint of where this can go... a PLN can hotlink part of itself back into itself... to make high-rise towers, duplicate and mirror identical hotel rooms, etc. Or, you can create a Publisher set that publishes bits of the building as MOD files... or even publishes 2D details as MOD files for an office detail library.

Used to tell people that everything I know could fit in a thimble and felt good about bragging like that because I was pretty sure it wasn't an exaggeration. Guess I need to rethink this whole idea.

🙂 The nice thing about fitting knowledge in a thimble is that knowledge is infinitely compressible. So, you can actually fit quite a bit. 🙂

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2014 02:23:21 GMT

Thanks Karl!
It's better, but Still can't get the end face of studs line to match the walls
pen weight?

Frustrating at times to get things just right.... Jon

Karl wrote:
Easy solution. You selected the 'Cased End' wall end object. Simply switching to the 'Wrapped End' cleaned things up.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2014 02:56:53 GMT

Karl,

Thank you for the explanation. Very much appriciated!

There is a new jpg. below w/ some more questions if and when you can spare the time.

Thanks again....Jonathan

Karl wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
So, you can make a mod file of any part of a project that is selected and send to whomever for whatever. Is it too complex to explain the basic difference between hotlinked and not hotlinked?
You can think of a MOD file as saving clipboard elements to an external file. So, where you might copy and paste within your own file, you can save-as-MOD and send that to a friend, and they can Merge that... and it is as if they pasted your selection into their project.

A Hotlink can be an MOD, part of a PLN, and more. It is a reference to an external file... sort of like an XREF for AutoCAD if you ever used that, other than it refers to Building Model elements.

Easy save-as-mod and hotlink example: suppose you want the same furniture arrangment of desk, chair, waste basket in every office. You could select those 3 elements, save them as a MOD but allow a hotlink to be made. (Allowing the hotlink means that the 3 elements are DELETED from the active project... and replaced with this link to the external MOD file.) The desk, chair and trash can will now appear as a group with square group nodes in your project. You can copy this group into all of the other offices. They all refer to that single MOD file. If you now decide you want a different model desk or chair, you edit just that MOD file... and the new desk/chair combo appears in all rooms.

A since-the-beginning wish for Hotlinks is that we could edit them in-place (the way AutoCAD users can edit Blocks). But we can't. You have to open a separate instance of ArchiCAD to do that (or close and re-open your project.

Things can get very elaborate, too. Don't want to blow you away, but just to give a hint of where this can go... a PLN can hotlink part of itself back into itself... to make high-rise towers, duplicate and mirror identical hotel rooms, etc. Or, you can create a Publisher set that publishes bits of the building as MOD files... or even publishes 2D details as MOD files for an office detail library.

Used to tell people that everything I know could fit in a thimble and felt good about bragging like that because I was pretty sure it wasn't an exaggeration. Guess I need to rethink this whole idea.
🙂 The nice thing about fitting knowledge in a thimble is that knowledge is infinitely compressible. So, you can actually fit quite a bit. 🙂

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2014 03:41:01 GMT

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2014 03:53:48 GMT

One more question for now. Can the line shown below be removed by adjusting the material strength?

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 13 May 2014 04:08:45 GMT

Jonathan wrote:
Thanks Karl!
It's better, but Still can't get the end face of studs line to match the walls
pen weight?

Frustrating at times to get things just right.... Jon

Karl wrote:
Easy solution. You selected the 'Cased End' wall end object. Simply switching to the 'Wrapped End' cleaned things up.

Bug in my opinion. A shame to have this behavior in 17... the library part has been out for many years.

See attached screenshot... Weird workaround, but seems to pick up the correct pen. Switch to the Returned End wall end part... and change the number of skins to turn to just 1.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2014 05:28:56 GMT

This is the best solution yet, but as you can see on the jpg below that it still is not matching the line all the way, one side or the other has a small
section of outside finish line (the heavier of the two) that is not correct.

Did you see my other posts above? Several questions in there if you have the time.

Thanks again! Jon

Karl wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Thanks Karl!
It's better, but Still can't get the end face of studs line to match the walls
pen weight?

Frustrating at times to get things just right.... Jon

Karl wrote:
Easy solution. You selected the 'Cased End' wall end object. Simply switching to the 'Wrapped End' cleaned things up.
Bug in my opinion. A shame to have this behavior in 17... the library part has been out for many years.

See attached screenshot... Weird workaround, but seems to pick up the correct pen. Switch to the Returned End wall end part... and change the number of skins to turn to just 1.

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

David Maudlin — Tue, 13 May 2014 12:30:13 GMT

Jonathan:

For the Wall intersection, extend the reference line of the vertical exterior wall and the interior wall to meet. You may also need to edit the Building Materials' Intersection Priority to get the correct result, but you will need to do this for other intersections anyway.

David

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2014 16:37:51 GMT

Thanks David,

I guess the correct order would be to do the intersection priority first and then
clean up the skins in the building material, priority (weak / strong) settings?
It's a bit of a challenge, but the results are amazing and well worth the effort. I may even decide that it's not necessary to show each top plate, sill plate, block, beam, and continuous member etc., in section anymore. Thirty-seven years of that is enough, maybe?

David wrote:
Jonathan:

For the Wall intersection, extend the reference line of the vertical exterior wall and the interior wall to meet. You may also need to edit the Building Materials' Intersection Priority to get the correct result, but you will need to do this for other intersections anyway.

David

Re: How to show finish mat. at wall ends?

David Maudlin — Wed, 14 May 2014 11:52:58 GMT

Jonathan wrote:
I guess the correct order would be to do the intersection priority first and then clean up the skins in the building material, priority (weak / strong) settings

I would get a few typical intersections (or collisions) set up in plan and section, and then start editing the Building Materials' Intersection Priority to get the desired result, so you have feedback on the consequences of each edit. Then remember to incorporate the changes into your template file.

Jonathan wrote:
It's a bit of a challenge, but the results are amazing and well worth the effort. I may even decide that it's not necessary to show each top plate, sill plate, block, beam, and continuous member etc., in section anymore. Thirty-seven years of that is enough, maybe?

I've changed my graphic standards from time to time as the software has changed, to better take advantage of the improvements. When I look at an old set of hand drawings, I miss some of the look & feel, but not the work.

David