topic Re: curtain wall problem again in Modeling

curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:06:42 GMT

do you think curtain wall tool in archicad 12 is limited?

how can i create a curtain wall like this?

what is the best method?

Re: curtain wall problem again

adzik — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:04:02 GMT

When you create a Curtain Wall just make sure it has as much frame as the more complex parts then after creating it delete unneeded frames from where they are not needed.

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:46:04 GMT

adzik wrote:
When you create a Curtain Wall just make sure it has as much frame as the more complex parts then after creating it delete unneeded frames from where they are not needed.

is it very time wasting? any faster method

what i want is just to do a cross curtain wall

Re: curtain wall problem again

adzik — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:29:13 GMT

No it shouldn't take too long.

Re: curtain wall problem again

__archiben — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:47:39 GMT

angus wrote:
is it very time wasting?

yes.

... any faster method

yes - learning GDL and scripting it yourself would be faster than trying to get to grips with the curtain wall tool by a couple of years.

what i want is just to do a cross curtain wall

as far as i'm aware, the curtain wall you show above cannot be done - the grid always has to be orthogonal. if i'm wrong, i would be very happy for someone to correct me!

~/archiben

Re: curtain wall problem again

Erika Epstein — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:39:09 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
as far as i'm aware, the curtain wall you show above cannot be done - the grid always has to be orthogonal. if i'm wrong, i would be very happy for someone to correct me!

~/archiben

You can simulate it by moving individual frame pieces so they are on a diagonal. Or just draw new ones. The larger frame pieces can be a different size than the rest

Time consuming, but doable

Re: curtain wall problem again

__archiben — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:44:20 GMT

Erika wrote:
You can simulate it by moving individual frame pieces so they are on a diagonal. The larger frame pieces can be a different size than the rest

thanks erika

Time consuming, but doable

indeed!

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:53:01 GMT

Erika wrote:
~/archiben wrote:
as far as i'm aware, the curtain wall you show above cannot be done - the grid always has to be orthogonal. if i'm wrong, i would be very happy for someone to correct me!

~/archiben
You can simulate it by moving individual frame pieces so they are on a diagonal. Or just draw new ones. The larger frame pieces can be a different size than the rest

Time consuming, but doable

thx erika

what i concern that archicad make curtain wall tool as the new feature in archicad 12, but it seems still not-so-clever to most of the curtain wall design, if the "cross curtain wall" need manually adjust, i think this feature becomes not a very cool one........

is there a ArchiGlazing addon to do so?

i think that's why archicad do not make its curtain wall tool to be so clever

Re: curtain wall problem again

Erika Epstein — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:01:56 GMT

Angus,
This is just the first edition of the curtain wall. It will improve. Skyscrapers have been built in archicad without the curtain wall tool, so keep an open mind and look around at all the things the program can do.

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:27:55 GMT

the example is not that complicated ..no need to do it manually ...

place first curved CW no frames ( turn off boundry and mullions ) just transoms rotated... then just copy the same CW and change the angle ... quite easy ..unfortunately i am on vacation so don't have my computer around .. i helped a client with a structure similar to that ... i will just re-create it and post it when possible

still think that this tool needs alot of work from both GS ( on the tool it self and to show people possible ways of using it ) and from users side to help other users to think in a different way about this tool.

.... i guess

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:15:38 GMT

whatever wrote:
the example is not that complicated ..no need to do it manually ...

place first curved CW no frames ( turn off boundry and mullions ) just transoms rotated... then just copy the same CW and change the angle ... quite easy ..unfortunately i am on vacation so don't have my computer around .. i helped a client with a structure similar to that ... i will just re-create it and post it when possible

still think that this tool needs alot of work from both GS ( on the tool it self and to show people possible ways of using it ) and from users side to help other users to think in a different way about this tool.

.... i guess

THX!!!

I USE YOUR METHOD
THERE ARE ACTUALLY 2 CW
BUT ONE IS MIRROR AND THE GLASS PANEL MAKE TO BE 0 THICKNESS
AND turn off boundry and mullions AND MAKE THE D=0

DONE!!!!

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:02:15 GMT

angus wrote:

THX!!!

I USE YOUR METHOD
THERE ARE ACTUALLY 2 CW
BUT ONE IS MIRROR AND THE GLASS PANEL MAKE TO BE 0 THICKNESS
AND turn off boundry and mullions AND MAKE THE D=0

DONE!!!!

Glad that I helped..one last thing ..u don't have to set panel thickness to 0 you can simply select the panels in one of the CW and delete them ... I don't know..but personally don't like that workaround ( the zero value ) had enough troubles with it !!

well .. now the -not-so-pleasant- news...is that u can't place junction elements ( i.e spider system ) at the intersections ... well sure you can .. but manually ( as in creating an object and place it manually) .

good luck

Re: curtain wall problem again

Erika Epstein — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:02:48 GMT

Thanks for reminding me of the rotation angle feature.

If we could also rotate the Primary grid lines then we could do this quite easily and not have to also do custom panels and junction pieces...

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:11:32 GMT

Erika wrote:
Thanks for reminding me of the rotation angle feature.

If we could also rotate the Primary grid lines then we could do this quite easily and not have to also do custom panels and junction pieces...

yes, this is the main point of my question

i wonder why there is no rotation in the primary one which limit the combination of curtain wall

Re: curtain wall problem again

Erika Epstein — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:33:39 GMT

Been meaning to add this. You can actually rotate the scheme in both directions in one rotation. But, as the book says, it only works on individual sections, not part of a chain, and they cannot be curved in plan.

In the CW edit window, select the scheme, moving the edge frame if it aligns with the scheme edge if necessary. Click on the edge and choose rotate in the pop-up button.

Re: curtain wall problem again

Anonymous — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:29:09 GMT

heey everyone, i'am sorry i know that it is a stupid question, but can anyone tell me how to reach the rotation angle option for the transom for the curved curtain wall so that i can change reach the shape of the curtain wall as shown in the replies?? thanks I really appreciate your help