topic Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer in Modeling

How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 14:53:59 GMT

Hello!

As a beginner i have some problem to edit the dormer. My plan is to have a dormer with three windows but I´m not able to edit the dormer in Archicad. I´m not able to choose more than one window. How do I edit this object or do I have to built a whole new dormer? How do I built a new dormer if I have to?

Best regards

Henrik

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Erika Epstein — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:32:49 GMT

Unfortunately the dormer you show doesn't have a parameter for quantity of windows.

You can construct your own dormer using walls and roofs instead of being limited by the dormer library part.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:27:29 GMT

Ok, thanks. Do I save it like an ojbect or do I have to built directly on the houes? All angles on the roof of the dormer does it a little bit complicated for me as well as the the inside adaptation of the house.

/Henrik

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Mats_Knutsson — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:29:28 GMT

henein wrote:
Ok, thanks. Do I save it like an ojbect or do I have to built directly on the houes? All angles on the roof of the dormer does it a little bit complicated for me as well as the the inside adaptation of the house.

/Henrik

Hi,
You choose. I'd go for "build directly on house" if it's a one-off dormer. It's a good practice of basic element editing. Check Solid Element Operation for cutting the dormer walls to the roof and roof-trim for trimming the dormer roof to the main roof. PM me your email and I'll send you a pdf (swedish) on the roof trim.
AC help also works great. Search for "Trim Element to Roof" and start from there.
Mats

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Rick Thompson — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:35:07 GMT

After you build one, you can select all the "pieces" and drag a copy for the others. You also have the option to group those pieces. It is a lot to work through, but very educational to do so, and much easier there after. I sometimes will copy a dormer from one file to another one.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:50:47 GMT

Thanks again!

Ok. As you can se from the attached picture i tried to build my own dormer. At the moment the walls from the dormer go inside the house through the roof. How do I trim the walls so they will be exactly 34 degree like the roof?

/Henrik

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Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:48:49 GMT

henein wrote:
Ok. As you can se from the attached picture i tried to build my own dormer. At the moment the walls from the dormer go inside the house through the roof. How do I trim the walls so they will be exactly 34 degree like the roof?

Hi Henrik,

Place some more roofs in position above the dormer walls, then use SEO to trim the walls to the roofs.

To use SEO (Solid Element Operations) activate the SEO palette, then in the 3d window select only the dormer walls and press 'Get Target Elements'. Now select only the roofs and press 'Get Operator Elements'. Choose 'Subtraction with Upwards Extrusion' from the list of possible operation, then press 'Execute' to trim. If the roofs are deleted the walls will return to their original height.

Using SEO has the advantage of being able to change the height or pitch of the roofs and the walls will continue to be trimmed to the underside. Using the alternative 'Trim to Roof' function will create a static trim that doesn't self-adjust if the roof moves.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:24:25 GMT

Thanks Peter!

I would try to do as you described.

/Henrik

Peter wrote:
henein wrote:
Ok. As you can se from the attached picture i tried to build my own dormer. At the moment the walls from the dormer go inside the house through the roof. How do I trim the walls so they will be exactly 34 degree like the roof?
Hi Henrik,

Place some more roofs in position above the dormer walls, then use SEO to trim the walls to the roofs.

To use SEO (Solid Element Operations) activate the SEO palette, then in the 3d window select only the dormer walls and press 'Get Target Elements'. Now select only the roofs and press 'Get Operator Elements'. Choose 'Subtraction with Upwards Extrusion' from the list of possible operation, then press 'Execute' to trim. If the roofs are deleted the walls will return to their original height.

Using SEO has the advantage of being able to change the height or pitch of the roofs and the walls will continue to be trimmed to the underside. Using the alternative 'Trim to Roof' function will create a static trim that doesn't self-adjust if the roof moves.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Rick Thompson — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:12:55 GMT

Henrik, You may want to check the trim to roof command. While it is static, if you want be reworking the pitch, that's not an issue, and "Undoing" is a simple process if needed. Trimming to the roof command is a simple key stroke with no panels to be opening for each trim... just Command click (Mac) the wall with the roof tool selected and you are done. So, there are several useful ways to do this depending on your needs. Personally, I trim to roof.

Often the biggest issue with dormers is the wall above the roof, and what happens inside the living space. Generally you don't want it showing on the floor plan. Again, probably several ways to handle this (adjust cutting plane), but I put that wall on a layer that is visible in "work" view, and hidden in "print" view. I'll attach an example, but it is more complex .. as in when the dormer needs to show part of the wall in floor plan, the part below the roof, and not the part above it that would be in the living space. This example is cleaner to do.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Erika Epstein — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:39:45 GMT

Along with what Rick just said, I usually have a separate wall that goes from the roof to the floor. This is specifically a separate wall from the dormers as the finish conditions are different. Under the main roof the wall has an interior finish on the room side, and either another interior finish on the attic or other room side. The dormer walls above the main roof will have int. finish on one side and ext. finish on the other.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

JaredBanks — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:44:24 GMT

Rick,

What rendering engine (or settings in 3D window) did you use to make that image? It's fantastic.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Rick Thompson — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:23:33 GMT

It's just the standard Internal Engine... shading, well.. I'll attach a screen shot:) (The background color is just for my web site images, keeps it simple in Photoshop.)

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

JaredBanks — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:53:11 GMT

Learn something everyday. Sometimes 2 things (command+click to trim to roof in 3D) and now this: black lines w/ internal rendering engine. In 4 years of archicad use, I never thought to switch the pens to black and white before going to 3D. I think it's the combination of that and the minimal use of color that I like so much about that image. Especially that wonderful blue with the subtle gray of the roof. Thanks. I'll start stealing that ASAP!

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:03:19 GMT

Thanks for all contributions!

I tried to do as Peter said but I didn succed. I succeded with the roof on the dormer but not inside the house. I attach a 3D view from inside that show my problem. As you can see I would like to cut the wall with the same angle as the roof inside. I not sure I´m understanding how I´m going to do. What do you mean with "command klick"?

/Henrik

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Rick Thompson — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:14:46 GMT

JaredBanks wrote:
Learn something everyday. I never thought to switch the pens to black and white before going to 3D. !

hummm??? I didn't actually switch any lines? The black for the siding, or the roofing comes from the material settings. But, maybe you are on to something else

I always liked the Internal Engine, even though most here seems to go via Artlantis.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

JaredBanks — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:16:59 GMT

For either SEO or trim to roof, the roof must intersect the wall. That looks like the issue here.

command + click on macs: if, in 3d, you select a wall, then hold down the command key and click on the roof, the wall will trim to the roof.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Rick Thompson — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:18:30 GMT

I don't know what the hell that image is??? NOt what I uploaded???

I'll try again.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

JaredBanks — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:19:06 GMT

Are your materials vectorial hatches set to element pen or custom? Maybe that has something to do with it. And do you typically use black pens? It looks like it from your plan. My drawings are all shades of the rainbow... well a couple shades!

Okay, well your correct images answers that question! Yes to both.

Rick wrote:
JaredBanks wrote:
Learn something everyday. I never thought to switch the pens to black and white before going to 3D. !
hummm??? I didn't actually switch any lines? The black for the siding, or the roofing comes from the material settings. But, maybe you are on to something else

I always liked the Internal Engine, even though most here seems to go via Artlantis.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Rick Thompson — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:23:01 GMT

henein wrote:
Thanks for all contributions!
What do you mean with "command klick"?

/Henrik

Command Click, on a Mac, is the keyboard short cut to trim to room. That trims the bottom of the wall to the top of the roof as a default. You can change the way it trims under menu>design> trim to roof. The manual should explain the fine points.

Re: How to edit a objects - Dormer

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:42:09 GMT

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"Are your materials vectorial hatches set to element pen or custom? Maybe that has something to do with it. And do you typically use black pens? It looks like it from your plan. My drawings are all shades of the rainbow... well a couple shades! "

How do i change pen or custom? And how do you change black pens. I hope I don´t ask to much stupid questions.

When i Try to fit the roof to walls by trim to roof it dosent happen anything if i choose trim top. If i choose trim base the wall will disappear.

/Henrik