topic Re: gable trims in Modeling

gable trims

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:51:40 GMT

Probably the most basic of questions but anywho…

Trying to make up some simple gable finishes... in cad would be simple as extruding a poly line and cutting holes in it and rotating it up vertically, done in all of a minute or two… so im trying to take a similar route with a slab…. 20mm thick, cut some holes in it and go to rotate it from horizontal to vertical… and im stuck…..??

Can it be rotated that way?? If so how? If not how do make something so simple with out spending to much time on it.

i feel dumb for even asking, cos im sure its quite simple.

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:13:03 GMT

There is plugins you can buy that will do things like this for you.

But another way is to mark your slab, open only this object it in 3d window parallellview. Rotate your camera so you look at your object from the point where you look at it from 'above'. Then save it as a GDL object.

Then this GDL object should be rotated.

Good luck!

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:24:27 GMT

GeNOS wrote:
Probably the most basic of questions but anywho…

Trying to make up some simple gable finishes... in cad would be simple as extruding a poly line and cutting holes in it and rotating it up vertically, done in all of a minute or two… so im trying to take a similar route with a slab…. 20mm thick, cut some holes in it and go to rotate it from horizontal to vertical… and im stuck…..??

Can it be rotated that way?? If so how? If not how do make something so simple with out spending to much time on it.

i feel dumb for even asking, cos im sure its quite simple.

there are many way to do that, i would do that with

TRUSSMAKER (design-design extreas-trussmake)

COMPLEX PROFILES

My sug. is to learn to use complex profiles

u can do this in one minute and u can easily edit it anytime u want,

Type COMPLEX in search of archicad help.

If u dont know how to do this, write a post and i will make for u quick tutorial.

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:51:11 GMT

I wouldn't recommend using Trussmaker also.
I have created various types of truss with the 2D profile editor.
The easiest way is to link to the beam tool.

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:25:04 GMT

Doh, I would also recommend complex profiler tool. My brain was locked into your problems with rotating object.

Re: gable trims

Ralph Wessel — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:28:23 GMT

GeNOS wrote:
...in cad would be simple as extruding a poly line and cutting holes in it and rotating it up vertically, done in all of a minute or two… so im trying to take a similar route with a slab…. 20mm thick, cut some holes in it and go to rotate it from horizontal to vertical… and im stuck…..??
Can it be rotated that way?? If so how?

You can do exactly what you've described with OBJECTiVE. It will allow you to create custom profiles and rotate them to any angle you please (or cut and bend to suit specific situations). For more info, take a look at: http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html

Re: gable trims

jbArch — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:29:36 GMT

I have always done this the way that TurboGlider suggests.... the mental hurdle is figuring out that library parts have to be placed in plan view (hence saved from the "top"), but if you want to use traditional AC tools then you have to create it as a slab as if it were an elevation view, and then view it in 3d to create the object. All in all it takes about 1-2 minutes like you hoped once you get the hang of it. This thread describes it pretty well... just scroll down to the posts by Steve Jepson:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=14887&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

But I like Joeri's method even better... I had never thought of it! Seems much easier if you need to edit it later since you can just open the profile editor and tweak the size.

Re: gable trims

Dwight — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:10:45 GMT

NeckoFromSarajevo wrote:

If u dont know how to do this, write a post and i will make for u quick tutorial.

Forum members might also see the Archicad Wiki for a comprehensive article on the topic, including the use of Complex Profile for decorative rafter tails.

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:44:10 GMT

jbArch wrote:
... I had never thought of it! Seems much easier if you need to edit it later since you can just open the profile editor and tweak the size.

To expand : this method is mainly used for quick study / representation of the global structure or calculation purposes if you like.
It's always usefull for industrial truss fabrication (with steel connection plate or similar).

Concerning traditional wooden junctions or real-life visualisation I personally prefer the method of multiple slabs and save as an object...

Both methods are worth trying.

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:06:37 GMT

thanks everyone.. iv tried both ways..

firstly, i did the slab, opened it in 3d, rotated it to view from the top. went to save it as a GDL... but dunno how to save as a GDL???
i would preffer to do it this way over the complex profile (untill i buy objective )

second was the complex profiles.. which i have done a few times before for my footings, but again drawing a blank.. i get to this point (in the attachment bellow) and dont remember how to save it so i can then use it in my wall tool???

i liek the trussmaker one is that a add on?

"objective" looks like something im gonna need(will deffinatly want) to buy ...

Re: gable trims

jbArch — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:18:23 GMT

For the slab method, view it in 3d (from what will be the "top") and then use "Save Model As..." in the File menu.

For complex profiles I think you are almost there. In your profile manager you have it set to use with walls, but you need to use with beams instead. Just click on the beam option (there are 3 icons: one for walls, one for beams, one for columns).

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:47:07 GMT

jbArch wrote:
For the slab method, view it in 3d (from what will be the "top") and then use "Save Model As..." in the File menu.

yup thats what i tried to do.. file>libraries and objects>save modle as
and i only get the option to save as gsm

jbArch wrote:
For the slab method, view it in 3d (from what will be the "top") and then use "Save Model As..." in the File menu.

For complex profiles I think you are almost there. In your profile manager you have it set to use with walls, but you need to use with beams instead. Just click on the beam option (there are 3 icons: one for walls, one for beams, one for columns).

even when i click on beam.. what then??? all the buttons are blanked out and im un able to click anything to save or store it??

Re: gable trims

jbArch — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:57:53 GMT

saving as GSM is fine... that's how I do it. Someone earlier mentioned GDL but I don't think I've tried that one.

As for the grayed out "store profile" button... I'm stumped. Maybe you could double check that you've drawn something with the fill tool on construction layer, as opposed to just lines?

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:04:01 GMT

im an idiot.. i had my complex profile done in lines.. instead of fills

would still like to know how to save my slab cut out as a GDL tho

EDIT:

saving as GSM is fine...

cheers, ill give that a go

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:33:56 GMT

thanks once again everyone...

Re: gable trims

Erika Epstein — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:42:30 GMT

Nice work!
You might want to take a look at Ralph Wessel's Objective
http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html
There's a free 30 day trial that is well worth doing.

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:05:18 GMT

Erika wrote:
Nice work!
You might want to take a look at Ralph Wessel's Objective
http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html
There's a free 30 day trial that is well worth doing.

cheers. yeah iv been looking at that, and have seen it mentioned a few time in various thread.. just gotta convince the boss to spend the moneey to buy it

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:21:04 GMT

the way i did do it was with the complex profile. im just playing with saving it out as a library item.
im in 3d with the parallel projection settings window open and i have x and z on zero degrees, and Y on 90 degrees.. this gives me a top/plan view of the slab laying flat.. i need to set Y to zero to get the actual "top view" of the gable tim before saving it out.. but every time i type zero in to the Y it just jumps back to 90...?? the closes it will alow me to 0 degrees is 0.5 degrees? any reason i cant get it to go to exactly zero?

or am i meant to be somewhere else to be setting the camera angle???

Re: gable trims

Erika Epstein — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:08:41 GMT

Genos,
Download and use the free 30 day trial. Show M. Boss what it can do .

Re: gable trims

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:25:55 GMT

GeNOS wrote:
the way i did do it was with the complex profile. im just playing with saving it out as a library item.
im in 3d with the parallel projection settings window open and i have x and z on zero degrees, and Y on 90 degrees.. this gives me a top/plan view of the slab laying flat.. i need to set Y to zero to get the actual "top view" of the gable tim before saving it out.. but every time i type zero in to the Y it just jumps back to 90...?? the closes it will alow me to 0 degrees is 0.5 degrees? any reason i cant get it to go to exactly zero?

or am i meant to be somewhere else to be setting the camera angle???

This is what you want (see image)

See the camera position (indicated by arrow), view and camera azimuth. Select Side view, drag the camera around icon or change azimuth to 90.