topic Re: Elevation Fills in Modeling

Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:49:39 GMT

Is there a way to embed fills, to show up in 2D section/elevation, to a composite or complex profile wall? I am looking for ways to create the most automated drawings possible (very little added 2D elements).
Thanks,
-matt

Re: Elevation Fills

TomWaltz — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:07:57 GMT

Fills are based off the material you assign. If you make a wall brick, it gets a brick fill. Just make sure you turn on 3D Fills in the section marker you use to create the section/elevation.

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:17:29 GMT

sorry, bad explanation on my question.
surface fills, i.e., if i created a brick wall (with a complex profile) can that brick wall show the brick fill on the surface of the wall in elevation?

Re: Elevation Fills

TomWaltz — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:39:07 GMT

Yep.

Each fill you place in the Profile Manager can have its own surface material. In fact, if you use the Pet Palette, you will see that each edge of each fill can have a different surface material.

The difference is that you set the surface material on the Profile Manager Palette, not in the Info Box. The idea is the same though. Select the fill in the Profile Editor window then select its material on the Profile Manager.

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:13:34 GMT

I have a Vectorial Fill assigned to my designated material. I have the Show Vectorial Fill option checked on my On-Screen View Options clicked.
However,
I still cannot see the Fill on my section/elevation. Is there an option somewhere in the section/elevation settings? Perhaps somewhere else?

thanks again,
-matt

Re: Elevation Fills

TomWaltz — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:50:01 GMT

mzinski wrote:
I have a Vectorial Fill assigned to my designated material. I have the Show Vectorial Fill option checked on my On-Screen View Options clicked.
However,
I still cannot see the Fill on my section/elevation. Is there an option somewhere in the section/elevation settings? Perhaps somewhere else?

thanks again,
-matt

Yep. It's in the section marker:

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:36:09 GMT

How do you edit elevation fills? I haven't yet mastered the art of placing them exactly the way I want them (lining up tile patterns so the cuts on either side are equal), so I need to manually edit them somehow, since showing them accurately is essential.

I've only been able to figure out how to move them, but not to add to or delete part from them.

Or, alternatively, how do you go about placing them so that the cuts are equal both left and right as well as top and bottom to start with?

Wendy

Re: Elevation Fills

__archiben — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:14:56 GMT

Wendy wrote:
How do you edit elevation fills? I haven't yet mastered the art of placing them exactly the way I want them (lining up tile patterns so the cuts on either side are equal), so I need to manually edit them somehow, since showing them accurately is essential.

use the 'align 3D texture' commands. i believe they'll probably be somewhere in the 'model' menu, but i can't recall (i've modified my menus beyond recognition and have trouble remembering the default position of some of the obscurer tools . . .)

you can set both the origin and the direction of the model (vectorial) fill pattern. be warned though - i did see a post here recently about this not working in the latest patch. i haven't had a chance to investigate it myself.

HTH
~/archiben

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:38:29 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
use the 'align 3D texture' commands.

Hmmm, that option is greyed out.

This is a 2D cover fill I've applied in elevation to the wall.

I would sure love to learn how to easily make these things (tile patterns) show up in both 3D and 2D views, and not disappear apparently randomly as has happened to me with this model and others. It's driving me mad. I'll think I've got a tile pattern set, and then it doesn't show in renderings, or in ortho views. Arrrggghhhh! I don't want to just see the material in the renderings; I want to see the lines that create the tile pattern as well - in both 3D and 2D views.

I remember when I first learned AC that there was some kind of option with fills that made them parametric, so that they would automatically adjust whenever the element they were applied to was adjusted. Of course, I can't figure that one out any more, either, nor can I find anything referring to it in the manual. What is it I'm thinking of? And does this work in elevation as well as in plan?

Wendy

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 03:22:34 GMT

Wendy,
We need some consistency of terms.
Cover fills show up on the plan for slabs, roofs, and meshes
when you set a cover fill for these elements in the settings dialogue.

Apparently, you are talking about a drafting fill that you are
drawing on to your elevation in the section/elevation window
and you are trying to center the fill pattern.
I have found that if you draw a rectangle shaped fill
with fill origin selected, polygon geometry, and draw
the fill starting at the center of the width of the rectangle not from
one corner you then have a five node rectangular fill with one node at
the center of the bottom or top edge which you can
use to drag the fill to where you want it.

You say you want the tile pattern to show up in the 2D and 3D views.
This implies that you want the same pattern in the same place
in the section and the 3D view. In this case you would not use
a drafting fill in the section/elevation window.
You have to assign a material to the element that has the fill pattern
you want associated with it and you have to have vectorial 3D hatching
enabled in you 3D window settings and also in your section/elevation
tool settings. If you don't have a material with the fill type you want
associated with it, you have to make one in the material settings window.

Editing the origin or direction of the vectorial 3D hatch
can only be done in the 3D window. With the element selected
go to design-> align 3D texture then select origin or direction.
"align 3D texture" is an unfortunate choice of terms since in other
contexts in AC a texture refers to a bitmap image of material surface
while the term hatch pattern or fill is used to refer to fill patterns
or fill types which is what we are talking about.
The vectorial 3D hatch only show up in the 3D window using the
internal 3D engine and does not show in renderings or open GL.

Peter Devlin

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:43:19 GMT

Thanks Peter; I think I've almost got it. I'd forgotten about associating a fill pattern with the texture. I've at least gotten it to show up on most of the walls in section/elevation.

I still can't get the fill pattern to show up in 3D, so I still don't quite get the align 3D texture part.

Wendy

Re: Elevation Fills

Rod Jurich — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:18:09 GMT

Wendy wrote:
I still can't get the fill pattern to show up in 3D

Wendy have you set the 3D window to show vectorial hatching?

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:51:32 GMT

Rod wrote:

Wendy have you set the 3D window to show vectorial hatching?

Yup.

'Tis a puzzlement.

Actually, I don't really know if the hatching is showing up in the renderings or not. It's white marble, and I don't have my lighting fully set up yet, but it's already so reflective that it's almost like a mirror, so I suppose that's interfering with being able to see the pattern.

I *cannot* see it in the 3D window, though, although it does show up now in sections and elevations, which is where I most need it at the moment, to give to the tilesetter. I still want to get it fixed, and I know I'm going to run into this same problem with another project I'm working on, plus with future ones as well.

Wendy

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:13:55 GMT

Wendy,
If you have the 3D window set to "OpenGL 3D engine" you will not
see the fill pattern only the texture. The same is true of renderings.
The only way to see the fill pattern in the 3D window is to set
it to "Internal 3D engine".
Peter Devlin

Re: Elevation Fills

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:56:56 GMT

Peter wrote:
Wendy,
If you have the 3D window set to "OpenGL 3D engine" you will not
see the fill pattern only the texture. The same is true of renderings.
The only way to see the fill pattern in the 3D window is to set
it to "Internal 3D engine".
Peter Devlin

I do have it set to "Internal 3D Engine" - but I just realized I had vectorial 3D hatching turned off in that dialogue box. That's got it all showing up in 3D now, but still not in the renderings.

I suspect it may become more visible when I get the lighting straightened out. Despite all the lights I've already got in the model, and in the space itself, the room still looks like a cave with a few weak flashlights on <sigh>. I clearly still need to do some tweaking of the material to get it to be not quite as mirror-like as it is.

Thanks for your help, guys.

Wendy

Re: Elevation Fills

Djordje — Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:56:32 GMT

Wendy,

please don't get me wrong, but 99% of your frustration stems from your basic lack of training, and not too much hands on general computer experience. That is nothing wrong in itself - take a training course, or an upgrade course. Trust me, the cost of it will be recovered in a week.

There must be some good places to learn Archicad near you?