topic Suggestions to model beaux arts facade in Modeling

Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

David Bearss — Fri, 26 May 2023 12:09:56 GMT

I am not trying to replicate every profile of the facade. I am looking for advice on how to build up the piers and base. I have started with the basic mass of the building which is a 16" masonry wall at the plane of the windows. The columns, piers, base, cornice, and trim are built out from that building face. To model I am thinking to simply add more layers of walls. Then merge walls??

Suggestions? Thanks.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:28:08 GMT

As usual, silence on a real-life matter. Certainly not intended to be a comment on the wonderful AC users and their extreme and continued generosity in providing free consulting to us newbies, but rather a direct comment towards Archicad and its inability to enable an efficient solution to a common, real world problem.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:51:03 GMT

Objective?
http://www.encina.co.uk/sw-download.html

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Dwight — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:26:57 GMT

The solution is easy if you know it.

The piers and base, solved, using complex profile, again:

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:22:54 GMT

Close, but no cigar.
The stones are staggered (running bond) in real world image.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Dwight — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:47:40 GMT

Considering that you aren't the original poster, we'll let him decide if we are close enough or not. Like, we should worry about verticals when the bas-relief panels and other carved work are missing?

But, whining veteran beginners are welcomed to take the complex profile with horizontal mortar joints and use little SEO's to cut the vertical joints, or actually model the individual tiles if more accuracy is required.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:57:47 GMT

Sorry Dwight , but sounds like a sore losers whining to me.

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Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:47:47 GMT

Dwight, thanks for the tip. As I alluded to in my original post, sometimes the idea that the forum is really a distribution center of free advice gets lost/forgotton/ignored.

Trying to stay focused on the original question/topic, while the complex wall you describe works well, how do you handle the insertion of doors and windows into a complex wall? I don't think they show up in plan view.

Also, any thoughts on how you handle the myriad of complex profiles that one could invariably generate. Favorites? Special folders?

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Dwight — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:10:16 GMT

I know what you mean. His post affects me like the yawning of a toad.

In answer:

I'd make a plain wall with the doors and windows. Then they show.

I'd figure out each complexity by cutting a section at each new condition, drawing each special stone/tile profile as a fill and then copying that fill [or group of related fills] into the complex profile window.

As for managing these separate profiles, it is easy to use the actual project as your reference, since you just eyedrop the value of any complex profile wall to engage those settings. But favorites would work, too. I prefer eyedrop back-referencing myself since I am a bad clerk.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:48:57 GMT

Again, thanks for the thoughts. I will try them out.

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Steve Jepson — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:44:32 GMT

Dwight wrote:
...Like, we should worry about verticals when the bas-relief panels and other carved work are missing? ....

Here is some unsolicited and unwanted advise. Model every part of that builing. Including the mortar, and the carved work.
It is not has hard as you might think.

By null at 2010-07-23

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Dwight — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:10:02 GMT

That stuff looks marvellous!
I have had success with this using DXF imported through illustrator tracing of images. What method do you use?

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Steve Jepson — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:14:52 GMT

its a secret.

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Dwight — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:16:22 GMT

Show off.

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David Bearss — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:37:15 GMT

Sorry about the absence folks as I have been away. Had some pressing windsurfing to do in The Gorge. Also for some reason my notices are not making it through to my e-mail. Have to check my settings.
Looks like some lively discussion. Dwight's suggestion incorporating complex profile makes the most sense for this project as truly accurate mortar joints are not essential for this project. Intricate work at capitals and spandrel panels are unimportant also. Thanks to Mr. Jepson I now know that it is possible however. Might be a good wintertime brain tease to figure that method out. Have to admit I dont use this tool enough.
Thanks all!

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Steve Jepson — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:39:21 GMT

Shot at 2010-07-24

I was passing through The Dalles on Friday afternoon.
There are a lot of great buildings there. I have alwasys wanted to model St. Peters Catholic Church or the Wasoc County Courthouse.

http://picasaweb.google.com/107154075433906113304/TheGayerBuildingTheDalles#

portable 3d scanner

By null at 2010-07-25

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

David Bearss — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:46:19 GMT

Steve,
There is some great history in The Dalles and some barely surviving historic buildings. You might also be interested in the old Elks Club. Actually listed for sale right now. Needs some loving. Floating dance floor on the third level.
BTW my humble office is directly across the street form the county courthouse in a hundred year old boarding house that dates back to the steam engine railroad days. Next time you are comng through give a shout.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Steve Jepson — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:54:34 GMT

David,
What is it they have put on some of these buildings to make the stone look like marble or at least some better quality or kind of stone? It looks to thick for paint and it seems to have little blue speckels. It's on the Grayer Building.

Re: Suggestions to model beaux arts facade

Dwight — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:03:26 GMT

terra cotta

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Steve Jepson — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:06:47 GMT

Dwight wrote:
terra cotta

Yes! that's got to be it. Thanks for the link. I will have some fun learning about this.