topic Re: fill enhancement problem in Modeling

fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:56:21 GMT

In ArchiCAD 12 this is a new feature, all i want is to make material which is shown in 3d to be shown in 2d too.

as the attachment the 3d wall is filled with white brick.

but in the 2d elevation , it only show the hatching.

i hope to have the same fill in both 2d and 3d

however,i've tried to draw the block of image to cover it, then the image block cover the shadow too. i don't want to draw the shadow again and it is not accurate too.

what can i do?

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:57:53 GMT

here is the 2d elevation, and i'd like an image fill to it, just like the feature video on graphisoft official site, how to do it???

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:11:05 GMT

assigne the correct fill (2d) to the material your wall has in the materials options. then your wall will have the correct 3d texture and 2d hatch.
hth

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:20:33 GMT

Angus,

Look at page 38 (bottom/right) of the "03 AC 12 Reference Guide.pdf" file in your AC12 documentation folder... And you will find the answer for this question and many others...

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:22:44 GMT

I think it is not possible. You can't assign an image-fill to a material. Image-fills are strictly 2D.
You can use a drafting fill in elevation or render a parallel projection.
If you want you can place the rendering under your line drawing on your layout.

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:57:30 GMT

Hielke wrote:
I think it is not possible. You can't assign an image-fill to a material. Image-fills are strictly 2D.
You can use a drafting fill in elevation or render a parallel projection.
If you want you can place the rendering under your line drawing on your layout.

what i mean is that in new features promotion video, it seems so easy to fill the elevation by only a click.....and i hope to preserve the shadow which is generated automatically...... i think it is quite good feature for presentation, but i can't do it until now

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:40:55 GMT

I know what you mean, but it is not possible.
In the new features demo it is a drafting fill they are using, so 2D.
The model itself can just show hatching and color not an image fill.
Watch the fill enhancements demo again.
Would be nice to be able to use image fills as "hatching" for the model.

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:28:30 GMT

Hielke wrote:
I know what you mean, but it is not possible.
In the new features demo it is a drafting fill they are using, so 2D.
The model itself can just show hatching and color not an image fill.
Watch the fill enhancements demo again.
Would be nice to be able to use image fills as "hatching" for the model.

but in the fill enhancement feature video, 34sec - 36sec, (glass fill), after click , the shadow still there......... if it is not possible, i think this promotion video is misleading people

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:48:19 GMT

It's not possible! (for the last time )
Everything in the demo-elevation is 2D and yes it is a bit misleading.
If you still do not believe me look it up in:
AC12 New Features List: page 6
AC12 Reference Guide: page 31
"Image fills are drafting fills only"

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:31:45 GMT

In the video, you can see in the navigator on the right that they are working on a worksheet, which is 2d only.

They have created it simply by copying and pasting a normal elevation, and editing all the fills manually.

An effective workaround tip, keeping everything live, is to -

- Switch to a side view - parallel projection in the openGL 3d window. Save it as a view. (Textures are visible in the 3d window, so ensure the model represents what you require, texture-wise.)
- Set up an elevation as normal, and change the settings to 'fill uncut surfaces' with 'Nothing' and turn on 'Vectorial Sun Shadows'
- On a layout bring in both the line elevation, and the view of the 3d window.
- Overlay the 3d window view so it is inline with the elevation, and resize it to suit. Send it to the back.
- Both the views will automatically update if something is edited, but everything will stay in line, shadows-and-all - Magic!

Hope that helps!

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:39:36 GMT

Peter wrote:
In the video, you can see in the navigator on the right that they are working on a worksheet, which is 2d only.

They have created it simply by copying and pasting a normal elevation, and editing all the fills manually.

An effective workaround tip, keeping everything live, is to -

- Switch to a side view - parallel projection in the openGL 3d window. Save it as a view. (Textures are visible in the 3d window, so ensure the model represents what you require, texture-wise.)
- Set up an elevation as normal, and change the settings to 'fill uncut surfaces' with 'Nothing' and turn on 'Vectorial Sun Shadows'
- On a layout bring in both the line elevation, and the view of the 3d window.
- Overlay the 3d window view so it is inline with the elevation, and resize it to suit. Send it to the back.
- Both the views will automatically update if something is edited, but everything will stay in line, shadows-and-all - Magic!

Hope that helps!

thanks for this method. it is almost done.
but i don't know how can i resize to suit them perfectly.
the scale are both in 1:100, but i dunno the 3d is a bit bigger than the elevation.

why?

Re: fill enhancement problem

Thomas Holm — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:17:08 GMT

The 3D MUST be a parallell projection!

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:27:06 GMT

angus wrote:
thanks for this method. it is almost done.
but i don't know how can i resize to suit them perfectly.
the scale are both in 1:100, but i dunno the 3d is a bit bigger than the elevation.

Use 'Resize' (Ctrl+k) and 'Define Graphicly' in the layout. Zoom in close for higher precision.

The 3d window is not to a particular scale. For a higher resolution, use a larger sized window. You can specify the window size in the '3d Window Settings' dialog box. Anything over 2500 pixels wide doesn't look too bad.

Re: fill enhancement problem

Djordje — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:40:22 GMT

Peter wrote:
angus wrote:
thanks for this method. it is almost done.
but i don't know how can i resize to suit them perfectly.
the scale are both in 1:100, but i dunno the 3d is a bit bigger than the elevation.
Use 'Resize' (Ctrl+k) and 'Define Graphicly' in the layout. Zoom in close for higher precision.

The 3d window is not to a particular scale. For a higher resolution, use a larger sized window. You can specify the window size in the '3d Window Settings' dialog box. Anything over 2500 pixels wide doesn't look too bad.

Beeep! Wrong!

The 3D window IS to scale. The problem is in copying the contents as a bitmap - that has to be resized properly.

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:41:22 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Beeep! Wrong!

The 3D window IS to scale. The problem is in copying the contents as a bitmap - that has to be resized properly.

Beep to you too!

Only the internal engine powered 3d window is to scale. The openGL 3d window view behaves as I describe!

The internal Engine doesn't display textures though, so it isn't suitable for the job.

If you do know of a better method, please let us know!

Re: fill enhancement problem

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:28:55 GMT

Djordje,

more screen shot please,

because i try a few times, i still can't do so.....

thanks if any helping hand