topic Re: Good Upgrade in Modeling

Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:01:19 GMT

Teamwork 2 - I'm a one man shop but know people I trust to hire on a job by job basis that I can manage from my office- Great
Oriented Views - good
Annotated Schedule Drawings - good!
Improved Object Handling - good
Intelligent “Soft” Insulation - good
DWG Enhancements - good
Data Exchange with Engineers - good
Improvements for Slabs/Roofs - Great!!!
Improved Curtain Wall Editing - Great!!
64-bit Support for Windows - Looking forward to mac 64 bit

Also looking forward to more improvements due to database restructuring. All in all looks like a good upgrade for me.

Re: Good Upgrade

Mats_Knutsson — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:46:18 GMT

outpostarc wrote:

Annotated Schedule Drawings - good!
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This one is fab!!! I've been longing for this since I first started using ArchiCAD. It's a very smart implementation of semi-automatic (I don't really know the English word if there is any but automatic with manual flexibility!?)...in my mind a typically clever GS thing!

Re: Good Upgrade

Rakela Raul — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:49:01 GMT

before you 'good' it.....make sure it is not a 'two version' (or 3) implementation

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:49:42 GMT

Mats_Knutsson wrote:
outpostarc wrote:

Annotated Schedule Drawings - good!
.

This one is fab!!! I've been longing for this since I first started using ArchiCAD. It's a very smart implementation of semi-automatic (I don't really know the English word if there is any but automatic with manual flexibility!?)...in my mind a typically clever GS thing!

Amen. I am also very interested in the new roof/slab edge controls. I've been wanting that one for a very long time.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:52:58 GMT

Rakela wrote:
before you 'good' it.....make sure it is not a 'two version' (or 3) implementation

True. As I haven't used ver.13 yet. I hope these items are implemented well.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:11:04 GMT

For now... Two words cross my mind... Strategic and Fair...

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:19:59 GMT

Braza wrote:
For now... Two words cross my mind... Strategic and Fair...

Mine too. Rip off!

Nothing a small office can use.

Teamwork 2 - Never did use it, never will
Oriented Views - I can leave without them. Last on the list. 10 minutes for a programmer
Annotated Schedule Drawings - indiferent
Improved Object Handling - good
Intelligent “Soft” Insulation - good
DWG Enhancements - indifferent (and probably useless)
Data Exchange with Engineers - yeah... LOL
Improvements for Slabs/Roofs - good
Improved Curtain Wall Editing - left over from previous version
64-bit Support for Windows - Of no use, since to use it i must do a 50 store building or a big town. Just for big fish

For a big office this release is SUPER. For everyone else, its CRAP. Personally i feel they have stole money from me. The previous subscription AND the current one (that i had to renew till yesterday!! suprise!!!! before i could see this incredible piece of useless crap.

If you look at it in effort in computing 99% went to tw2 and 64 bit and 1% (and i say much) in the other part. Hey GS... we paid to. If big offices want that, give it to them but let THEM pay for it. ONLY THEM. Why should i pay for something i will never use and as a whole upgrade. So all the money you got went there?

What is the official GS opinion about that? A whole years subscription for NOTHING? Not even the mediocre last years upgrade? Compared to this years release, last years looks like a super upgrade and it was just 2 big features and very few smaller ones. But this!!!

I want my money back. This is not an upgrade.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:33:42 GMT

oreopoulos wrote:
Braza wrote:
For now... Two words cross my mind... Strategic and Fair...
I want my money back. This is not an upgrade.

OK, so you grade the new features, but you fail to mention any must-haves that GS forgot about. Does that mean you're happy with AC 12? I'm curious about the features that the 'small fish' needed but haven't received. Are there any stand-outs? Personally, I'm glad to see GS doing a good job at staying competitive in the BIM world. They seem to have a good business model and understand that if they can't offer a competitive product to Revit, they won't have a future.

It's possible that GS realizes that small residential practices can get a lot of mileage from other builder specific packages like Chief Architect.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:51:18 GMT

oreopoulos, I can't agree with you on your big fish item.

As a one man office I don't have the turnover to hire people on a daily basis. I handle some bigger projects as well with remote people on a job by job basis. It's all about send-receive-email-...over and over again. I really think this new Teamwork technology, from what I've read, can make my job a lot easier!
On the other hand, AC13 improvements I would rather call average then good or great. Beneficial at most but not my cup of tea.

I fully agree with Braza : this is a strategic upgrade !

Re: Good Upgrade

Steve Jepson — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:09:04 GMT

I have not read about any improvement at all in generating a useful bill of material. Perhaps it does have some improvements in this area they haven't mentioned. ?

Other than that, I think it is worth my subscription fee.

The collaboration features were a valid priority.

As always though, I hope the next version will be all about processing the BI. Being able to create the M is only going 1/2 way.

What good is it to create the BIM if you can't get the BI out of it and into useful formats ? This remains a week link for ArchiCAD and for every other so called BIM software. They can all make the model but what can they do with it besides make plans?

Also as always, I blame the lack of progress in this area on preserving the viability of Constructor and ArchiFM.

just thought I would throw that out there since you all like to hear me gripe about that.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:29:26 GMT

LINZ wrote:

OK, so you grade the new features, but you fail to mention any must-haves that GS forgot about. Does that mean you're happy with AC 12? I'm curious about the features that the 'small fish' needed but haven't received. Are there any stand-outs?

Posted and posted them again and again (starting from the worst part of AC, the material manager and going to layers and how to manage them.. to favorites and two way assosiation, to quantity calculations which has not been worked for years now... too hundreds of stuff written again and again in vain). But i stopped doing long ago. It does not matter. They dont give a damn what users want. Just big firms. Fine. Anyway i will ask from the local provider a refund (which ofcourse i wont get) and cancel they AC14 subscription.

There have been bad updated before. But this is stealling in cold blood.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:32:46 GMT

Oops, and what about AC13 library content : any additional doors and windows parameters, maybe objects included?! As far as I can think, Annotated (interactive) Schedule Drawings can only be useful once you have correct door and window representation = modeling freedom. If not I will continue 2D for this...

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:55:41 GMT

I thought I'd heard a rumor about easier access to calculation rules?
I'm assuming that would make it easier to do material take offs?
Something about doing more calculations right in AC?
But did not see it in movie clips.
Anybody else seen or heard something along these lines?
lec

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:10:00 GMT

I am a one man office and though there were things I would have like to have seen implemented, but not, I think this is a good move and don't really feel ripped off at all.
If Graphisoft can increase its user base from these new features then it can only mean better things for the future. No software is perfect but I am a big fan of archicad and will keep using it.
Its just nice to see the ship moving forward again instead of sinking.

Re: Good Upgrade

aahatimo — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:10:37 GMT

Joeri wrote:
Oops, and what about AC13 library content : any additional doors and windows parameters, maybe objects included?! As far as I can think, Annotated (interactive) Schedule Drawings can only be useful once you have correct door and window representation = modeling freedom. If not I will continue 2D for this...

so has the v13 library been updated?
not sure it ever quite made it w/ v12. but then i could have missed something...
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=143000&highlight=#143000
also no 64 for macs?
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=143000&highlight=#143000

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:22:58 GMT

Danj wrote:
... I am a big fan of archicad and will keep using it.
....

Same here. AC11.

In an effort to curb needless spending we terminated our Archicad Select subscription after receiving AC12, which is still in the box. Haven't had the need to upgrade to 12, and our hardware is getting on a bit so huge expense required to make it worthwhile.

No doubt when we do finally upgrade to a version worth getting we will be stung for (almost) full value rather than upgrade, and therefore not save much anyway in the long run.

Rock - - Hard Place.

Re: Good Upgrade

Karl Frost — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:56:12 GMT

Stuart - you're def right about the rock- hard place bit. I see that your signature says "PowerPC" and if you have not yet checked AC13 runs on Intel Macs only.
"Got your chequebook, Vernon?"

Re: Good Upgrade

andrewzarb — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:05:37 GMT

If you can foresee yourself upgrading at any time in the future it makes no sense to not upgrade to each version because when you eventually upgrade, you get slugged for the cost of every upgrade you missed without ever having benefitted. (B.O.H.I.C.)

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:14:02 GMT

Well I can’t see ArchiCAD 13 on my Christmas wish list this year as I’m not overly impressed with the new features its offering.
Ok 64bit and TW2 seem impressive as these needed to be addressed to keep Archicad competitive in the market place.
But really the other features feel like padding and only worthy of a status of ArchiCAD V12.3
And to see GS still riding the curtain wall horse is a cheap marketing plug. The added editing features should have been a hotfix. There are many more important issues at hand that need fixing. The whole tool box needs a work over- Mesh tool for example. All the design tools need to be able more flexible, They are 2d like and rigid, this is a 3d program that needs to be able to act like a 3d program and be more fluid and match what is happening out in the real world that’s being built. At the Moment I can’t image modelling or documenting some of Zaha Hadids buildings in ArchiCAD with no add-ons/plug-ins or advanced GDL knowledge.
So maybe, just maybe, GS have a look at the wish lists on this forum and start incorporating these wishes otherwise your client list is going to shrink as will your profits.

Re: Good Upgrade

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:17:10 GMT

Most of their updates is things we wanted here in the community, slab egde and roof edge are one big wish and TW2 too. And also rotated workspace and dimensions on schedules, so I'm not sure what you are complaining about? All the features are wishes from us. Most of the features would help our daily work in our office alot.

For example, now you could draw a window in your planview, save it as an windowobject that are imbedded in your projectfile. Could it be much better?