topic Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d in Modeling

MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 17:30:49 GMT

Hi.
MORPH Tool = Awesome

Very powerful.
Baby Steps - Using it to create a few quick stucco details on the fly in 3d.

Problem...
Lines appear at junction of MORPH element and adjacent columns / slabs.

Any ideas?
I have tried changing surface materials. I have tried SEO operations on the MORPH element.
All the nodes are definitely in contact. The lines will just not go away.

I know there are myriad different ways to achieve the arches but wanted to get the MORPH tool working.

Thanks.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 01:17:06 GMT

Are the lines still there if you do a high resolution render?

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:10:23 GMT

Not there in Lightworks render... Hmmm. Definitely have it lined up properly and textured properly then.

But lines are there in elevations and sketch render (bread and butter renderings for me). Also there in the 3d window, either engine.

What a drag. HELP!!!!!

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 06:09:30 GMT

I've tried every setting for about an hour straight and can't find a work around...
Anybody?
Thanks

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:49:28 GMT

Instead of using the Morph, I use a wall and a door or window for the opening. I use the Cadimage Tools Doors & Windows for the arched openings, but there should be something in the standard Archicad library that could do the same thing. The screenshot shows 2 different walls and openings because the client wanted a reveal around the openings.

In this instance, the corner has a column and the walls intersect with the column. Since the column material is the same as the wall material, there should be no line.

As far as your original question, I have encountered the same thing. I either have to deal with the line, or make the Morph element aspect larger, so there is no line.

Hope this helps.

Jeff

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:50:36 GMT

Thanks for the response. Yeah, I'll make the arches another way. Just trying to do it with the MORPH tool since it is so easy and does not cause issues on plan view. The MORPH tool will be good for arch SEO's I guess. Works good where you don't have to blend surfaces. I will use it to make stucco crown molds @ eaves, etc... Used it to make the corbels.

So it looks like I can't really use the MORPH tool yet as I should be able to.
Really disappointing. Another ArchiCAD tool with an illogical quirk that makes it, well, quirky...

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Erika Epstein — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:26:34 GMT

Greg, the morph tool isn't intended for openings, doors and windows are. You can easily make the arched opening in the walls with standard archicad opening tools.
The morph is great for all the trim doodads, looking forward to seeing your decorations!

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:09:06 GMT

Greg,

I agree... the fact that a co-planar, same material morph surface cannot 'join' another surface without a line in elevation is a great disappointment.

Easiest test of the failed functionality: model two walls stacked on top of each other - shows in elevation as a single solid rectangle. Select the top wall, right click and Convert to Morph - the result has a line between the two surfaces.

Bummer.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:34:13 GMT

Exactly Karl.
I just tried the same with slab, roof and wall objects before I saw your post. I tried over sizing the MORPH with a SEO subtract... I've tried everything I can think of.
All the same result.

So is this verified then? Surfaces will not join with MORPH. No work around?
No setting I am missing somewhere...

The MORPH objects are not designed to have surfaces mate cleanly with other types of objects, period. (Except in Lightworks Render)

Thanks.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:39:10 GMT

Noticed the mesh tool behaves the same way as well...
Meshes wont cleanly mate surfaces with wall, slab and roof objects...
And meshes wont mate with MORPHs either... Or vice versa, depending on your point of view.

Just saying...

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:43:52 GMT

Oh, and co-planar MORPH to MORPH, no mating of surfaces either turns out.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:01:31 GMT

g.h.design wrote:
Oh, and co-planar MORPH to MORPH, no mating of surfaces either turns out.

That would make the Morph a Mule (sterile offspring of donkey and horse). 😉

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:06:54 GMT

g.h.design wrote:
(Except in Lightworks Render)

Not just LW. If you turn "Contours" OFF in the 3D window, then your OpenGL 3D window will not show the lines either.

But, with Sections/Elevations, 3D Documents, etc still being bread-and-butter of construction drawings, this lack of clean-up reduces our abilities to use Morphs for quick model embellishments.

The first time I saw this was with Complex Profiled walls - where I used a Morph to wrap a CP extrusion around a wall end - a half wall that had a cap. So much for the easy solution.

We can only hope that improvements are on the way...

Cheers,
Karl

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:13:55 GMT

Hah. A Mule

Thanks for the response.
Cheers as well.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 02:23:21 GMT

maybe a workaround might be to use the morph object as an SEO object on a hidden layer and 'add' it to the wall while retaining wall attributes - haven't tried it, but may be an option.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 03:25:58 GMT

Nope. No cigar. Just tried it...

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Barry Kelly — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 05:13:31 GMT

Turn everything into morphs and then you can hide the lines.
Barry.

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:52:12 GMT

Reminds me of a Modern English tune.

'I'll stop the world and MORPH with you'

MORPH the world!

Re: MORPH Element - Lines in Elevation and 3d

Red — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:44:49 GMT

Running into the same issues...