topic Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal in Modeling

empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:02:46 GMT

Hello!
I am modelin one gothic fortress for renovation purposes.
So every opening are as described in topic title.
So how to get that without having window in 3d?
I know how to get it in 2d. I use classic windows and in model view options turn off windows. Is there that option for 3d?
or is there some custom empty opening?

here is the fortress I have to model:
http://www.webdesign.elstro.hr/wp-content/gallery/gradevine/garic-grad.jpg
here is a movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm4cwuudy_g
I have to model only the main building.

please help me. it is urgent.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:48:09 GMT

Please see Olivier Dentan's Reveal SEO on his web site.
It may be what you are looking for.
http://archilib.od.pagesperso-orange.fr/
Peter Devlin

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:48:47 GMT

Peter wrote:
Please see Olivier Dentan's Reveal SEO on his web site.
It may be what you are looking for.
http://archilib.od.pagesperso-orange.fr/
Peter Devlin

I found solution with openings in window library, but will try with this.
thank you.

few moments noticed that this openings has a lot of bugs.
when set it to what I need I got this:

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:03:35 GMT

Is there anything better that this?

I have tryed Dentan's reveal SEO but it is way too limiting. I can't set depth of it.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:02:58 GMT

Check this article:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/CreateCustomWindows

Based on this you can model those Windows out of profiled walls and saved them as Windows. Setting the proper IDs is very important for it to work.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:44:14 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Check this article:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/CreateCustomWindows

Based on this you can model those Windows out of profiled walls and saved them as Windows. Setting the proper IDs is very important for it to work.

hm, but my profile is changing along the axis (through the depth of the wall).

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:19:15 GMT

Is it constantly changing or there are two or more different profiles in it?
Sorry I can't figure it out from the image you attached previously.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:03:08 GMT

here is new illustration. first are the setting of the opening that I need. and which caused the problem shown on previous picture.
below is that opening modeled with shell tool, which is useless since I can't substract it from wall.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:32:34 GMT

I have problems with uploading picture to the site.here is fileserve link:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/U9GaKFr/opening_2.jpg

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:23:50 GMT

Hi mzex,

Could you put it on the web on some other site?
I don't want to install that downloader program just to be able to look at this one image.

You may also try to zip the jpg and attach that to your post.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:14:24 GMT

You do not need any downloader to use fileserve link.
but here is another image host site.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/opening2.jpg/

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:39:56 GMT

I would use a Ruled Shell to create this geometry.
This way I would have the inner surface of the reveal.

Then I would use the tip in the following article to achieve a solid body:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/CreatingShellsWithSolidBody

Then I would save the result as a Window.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:35:24 GMT

this works.
only problem is now how to get proper floor plan. but this is small problem.
Draw wall as polygonal (since it is old building no wall sides are parallel). I can split wall into three walls. one will be as big as opening on floor plan. I can set that wall to be white. and on the floor plan I have what I need.
thank you

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:01:51 GMT

Can you show us the result?
I am curious.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:41:00 GMT

I will when I'm done.
it will be tomorrow, maybe today.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:40:49 GMT

Here it go.
problem solved. there is link to illustrations of what I did:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/199/creatingopeningwithslan.jpg/
so,
I modeled walls using polygonal wall so I can match the floor plan of the opening. after that shell was modeled to be the same as floor plan of the walls. trimming bodies option is shell settings was set to editable as described in that little tutorial Laszlo posted earlier. then wall that matches the opening was selected. right click - connection and trim to roof/shell. after that shell is clicked when house on pointer gets black roof. Ac now asks you which part of the wall you want to preserve. I clicked on the part of the wall that is outside the shell (in may case above or below the shell), adn that is it.

wall that features that opening is set to be shown as outlines only on floor plan so opening can be displayed properly.

if there are any questions just ask.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:54:02 GMT

Of course!
That is much simpler.
Nice job.

So this means that basically you can model the surface of any wall opening with the Shell Tool and cut it out from the body of the Wall with the Trim element to Roof/Shell command.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:38:02 GMT

you are right.
Thank you Laszlo!

I will have a lot to go with shell on this model. inside 2,4 meters thick walls are stairs, so I will try to use shell to get stair shaft.
in a few days when model is done I will present it here.

P.S: found one bug in shell tool, but I'll talk about it later.

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:39:01 GMT

here is JPG with that bug I was talking about.

so I have two profiles which I use to create shell I need.I use ruled and detailed method to create shell, but instead of that left shell I often get the right one. it is not even close to what I need. sometimes it works right sometimes not. I can't figure out when and what is wrong.
I tried using lines, polylines and splines and always is the same. sometimes OKe sometimes not. if I split them into arch and base the those two shell are created. Is it possible to join that two shells into one?

Re: empty opening with arched top and slanted reveal

David Maudlin — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:04:00 GMT

mzex wrote:
I use ruled and detailed method to create shell, but instead of that left shell I often get the right one. it is not even close to what I need. sometimes it works right sometimes not. I can't figure out when and what is wrong.

One item to pay attention to is the Morphing Rule (Paired, Smooth). Since your two profiles have the same number of points, you should use Paired.

David