topic Sloping Profiler in Modeling

Sloping Profiler

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:25:46 GMT

I seem to have forgotten how to make a sloping profile. Can someone please advise me before I kill myself.
Thanks, as usual.
Scott

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:28:16 GMT

Is this OK for you ?

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:44:10 GMT

Scott wrote:
I seem to have forgotten how to make a sloping profile. Can someone please advise me before I kill myself.
Scott

Use ArchiForma add-on or 3D Profiler from CadImageTools instead AC std profiler in such cases.

Re: Sloping Profiler

Stress Co_ — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:57:35 GMT

Z.Bauer wrote:
Scott wrote:
I seem to have forgotten how to make a sloping profile. Can someone please advise me before I kill myself.
Scott

Use ArchiForma add-on or 3D Profiler from CadImageTools instead AC std profiler in such cases.

Scott:

If you don't already have 3D Profiler.... check with your Archicad reseller. I "think" it was packaged with an Archicad subscription (update to 10), along with "Virtual Tutor 9".

Marc

Re: Sloping Profiler

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:40:27 GMT

Marc wrote:

If you don't already have 3D Profiler.... check with your Archicad reseller. I "think" it was packaged with an Archicad subscription (update to 10), along with "Virtual Tutor 9".

Marc/Zohrab,
You are correct. 3D Profiler from CadImage will make what we need (Carrere, your's must be from CadImage). The Profiler tool within AC9 only defines horizontal objects. Further as mentioned, CadImage's 3D Profiler now comes with the subscription for AC10, clearly the way to go.
Thanks so much for your time.
Scott

Re: Sloping Profiler

Scott Bulmer — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:23:33 GMT

We acquired Cadimage 3D Profiler and are unable to manipulate the sloping profile segment without affecting the contiguous segment (torsional twisting). The manual mentioned that it is preferable to "tilt to roof" to avoid this situation, however we have been unsuccessful in tilting just the single desired segment; when attempted, all segments tilt. Is there a secrete way to acomplish this, or do I just want my cake & eat it too?
Thank you,
Scott

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:34:09 GMT

Scott,
Check out this thread.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=49798&highlight=cornice#49798
Peter Devlin

Re: Sloping Profiler

Richard Morrison — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:21:00 GMT

Scott,

You might want to consider whether this detail will actually work out in the field. I'm not sure that a carpenter could realistically miter this corner and get it to work properly without a slight return, a corner block, or something to aid in the transition. You might be better off with a different detail here.

Re: Sloping Profiler

Scott Bulmer — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:41:19 GMT

Peter wrote via link:

If the cross section is held constant
then the miter can't be plumb and you have to make a transition houlder. This is very similar to the classical "raking moldings" geometry.

Excellent descriptive geometry explanation that I agree with. Prior to making my post we did try breaking up the corner into segments that partially worked, but not very well. I was hoping that, as partially noted in the manual, one could slope one segment of the whole to the roof solving this problem. If you can't, then close enough will have to do.

Further I agree with Richard's comments, but I don't think that 3D Profiler can do that either.

Thank you again for your thoughts.
Scott

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:54:55 GMT

Scott,
As Richard points out there are geometry problems with what
you are trying to do.
In the thread I referenced in my last post and the thread
referenced in that thread the issues involving Profiler and
more generally eave rake transitions are discussed.
I made some eave to rake transitions using some molding
profile objects to test those issues.
Please see attached image.
#2 was made by scaling the eave moulding vertically
so that it's plumb cut length is equal to the the eave
molding's plumb cut length.
I extended this object and then tried to subtract with
down ward extrusion the eave molding from the rake
molding using SEO. I might try again too see if I can
get #2 to work because I think this was done in classical
detailing by carving the scaled rake profile to meet the eave profile.
Peter Devlin

Re: Sloping Profiler

Scott Bulmer — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:07:04 GMT

Peter/Richard,
From your explanation, I now understand the issue of joining molding when slopes collide. The intricate profile sections shown in your graphic clearly illustrate this. AFA making details work in the field; to some extent the carpenters use some level of artistic license, and maybe cement plaster hides their sins.

In the attached photos, I think the sloping or rake cornice must be
taller in dimension for the bottom to align with that of the eave cornice.

Thanks again for the great explanations.
Scott

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:50:36 GMT

I finally got around to experimenting with complex profiles
to model a raking molding mitered to a eave molding.
Using the construction method for drawing the profile
of a raking molding described in Architectural Graphic Standards
classical orders and detail. It worked out quite well. see attached.
Peter Devlin

Re: Sloping Profiler

Rod Jurich — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:18:57 GMT

Peter wrote:
I finally got around to experimenting with complex profiles/...........It worked out quite well. see attached.

Many thanks Peter, the effort you put in with added graphics is excellent.
The old tale about a picture etc.

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:33:55 GMT

Hello Rod,
Thank you. All I have to do now is figure out
why and how this method works. It is not a simple
vertical scaling as far as I can tell because
I tried to make two moldings that I had made
as library parts with a mulz parameter miter
with a plumb cut but it was not correct.
See my previous post on this thread.
Peter Devlin

Re: Sloping Profiler

LiHigh — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:18:55 GMT

Peter,

This method is call Projection.

Both the moldings share a common cutting plane. For proper connection, the projection of both profiles onto the cutting plane must be identical.

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:46:01 GMT

Hello Howard,
I believe I understand the two facts you have stated.
Do you see a problem with the miter of the
two beams shown in my image ?
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:00:11 GMT

Try Objective to make it happen with the split tool; fast.

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:21:41 GMT

Hello Joseph,
Does Objective allow you to see the code that
creates the object ?
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:31:48 GMT

Peter wrote:
Hello Joseph,
Does Objective allow you to see the code that
creates the object ?
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

Yes it does yet I suggest getting in contact with Ralph at http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html to get good info. he is very good.
Joseph

Re: Sloping Profiler

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:36:07 GMT

Thank you Joseph. I will.
Peter Devlin