topic Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles in Modeling

Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Chris Grantham — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:48:51 GMT

This may be a pretty simple question, but it is one that has plagued me for a long time. For some reason I can never get a complex profiled wall and slab to clean up properly in section. I would like the framing to extend to each other, but the Gyp. board always extends through the wall. I have set the priorities to appropriate numbers but to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and apologies if this has been answered and I missed it.

-Chris

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:54:26 GMT

Do you have "enable skin priorities checked?
Are the fill types the same?
lec

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Chris Grantham — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:59:06 GMT

Fill types are indentical, and enable skin priorities is checked.

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:05:20 GMT

Ok
I'm not the best at this, but
layer intersection groups could possibly
have something to do with this.
Have you tried changing one them to see what happens?

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Chris Grantham — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:18:33 GMT

Tried that... everything is on the same intersection group. Even tried moving them around to see if there was any difference, but it does not work. THanks for the response though.

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:25:24 GMT

Hi Chris,
I'm still struggling a bit with Complex Profiles myself.
I only use complex walls, so different things seem to crop up a lot.
One last thought, some have said that the reference lines have to touch?
Others have seem to say no that does not matter.
But it might be worth a try.
Sorry I could not be of more help.
lec

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Chris Grantham — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:41:48 GMT

There is no reference line in slabs like those in the wall. I am stumped. Anyone?

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:07:58 GMT

Chris,

Stretch the wall up past the plasterboard until it hits the underside of the structure. Use SEO to subtract the wall away from the floorslab. Everything will now appear to join correctly!

Skin priorities don't work automatically in section. If you have a complicated situation you will need to actually model it using a complex profiled wall, with the skins correctly stretched to where they need to be.

Hope this helps.

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Chris Grantham — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:33:09 GMT

DUH! Cool trick peter. Thanks... Can't believe different composites don't resolve between these elements!

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:45:02 GMT

Well once again I want to thank you too Peter.
I would not have guessed that.
However sure now that the BIG 13 is out, that GS will address some of the
Complex Profiles I like so much.

Such as although this trick would not work in a complex profile I just made that had horizontal V rustic siding that cannot be stretched without distorting the width, unless you like you siding to be different widths.
And to make things worse, the "split" fills that make the T&B plates appear to be wherever I make a cut would not be in the right place any more.
Now that's sad!
Now of course I'm hoping you prove me wrong:-))
lec

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:31:32 GMT

Peter pointed a good and effective solution...

Personally... I would create a 2d patch... Also quick and easy...

With the advantage of not charging the file with another SEO operation.

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:49:49 GMT

Braza wrote:
Peter pointed a good and effective solution...

Personally... I would create a 2d patch... Also quick and easy...

With the advantage of not charging the file with another SEO operation.

Hi Braza,

Prior to SEO, I would have used the patch, too. I use Peter's method and have never had it slow down my models ... but I'm usually looking at dozens rather than hundreds of walls.

I prefer that everything be 'live', and of course patches can bite you later if you move the wall / whatever. We can say that we only patch for final CD, but the truth is that when a patch has to be used, it probably gets inserted during working drawings since the partners and client don't want to see the ugliness that the patch is hiding. (This example is one that they probably wouldn't notice except for in an enlarged detail anyway.)

I'm still looking forward to the version of ArchiCAD in which all drawings can be live without any patching (required for SEO to be seen in 2D today, certain complex intersections, to get dashed lines to appear properly, etc) or manual over-rides (required to get text included in dimension strings, e.g.).

The shorter the list of manual things to double-check before a drawing set goes to PDF or the printer, the better, IMHO. So, here, I would use Peter's method until I observed that performance was taking a (big) hit.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:09:53 GMT

Hi Karl,

Karl wrote:
The shorter the list of manual things to double-check before a drawing set goes to PDF or the printer, the better, IMHO. So, here, I would use Peter's method until I observed that performance was taking a (big) hit.

You are right... Perhaps I'm a little bit traumatised with my long relationship with my ex... computer... amd 2000+, 256mb RAM, 64mb Video, XP Pro 32 bits

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:20:42 GMT

Re: Wall Slab Complex Profiles

vistasp — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:22:22 GMT

Braza wrote:
Hi Karl,
Perhaps I'm a little bit traumatised with my long relationship with my ex... computer... amd 2000+, 256mb RAM, 64mb Video, XP Pro 32 bits

There, there, Paulo. XP with 256 RAM would have broken a lesser person but you are a survivor! 😉