topic Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs" in Documentation

PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 22:08:48 GMT

We have a couple of layout books that are having repeated problems with imported views not updating. Worse yet, they become inserted PMKs in the views so manual relinking is required. I think this has to do with the size of the AC9 model they are being read from (~100MB) or the fact that the AC9 model is having to lift hotlinked models to make the update. I think BGArchiCAD for Mac may have a file size issue...

Is anyone having to relink views frequently?

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

__archiben — Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:33:19 GMT

you're seeing little 'PMK' icons in the drawing usage list right? try quitting plotmaker and re-launching. or resaving your archiCAD file and then hitting 'refresh' in plotmaker's views navigator . . .

i seem to remember reporting something like this as a bug during beta, but i found out later that plotmaker stores the updated view as a PMK in it's cache/memory. hence the display of the little PMK icons.

i also remember re-linking views all the time, but realising that this was no longer necessary when i figured out what was actually happening. i guess it could be a little clearer!

does this help?
~/archiben

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:14:29 GMT

We are still experiencing this problem with "PMKs". We aren't able to refresh them or update them. We are having to re-insert them. I think it is related to large, large, large layout book sizes. Any thoughts? What are the largest layour books or models that people are having PlotMaker 'lift' to do their updates?

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Aussie John — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:50:05 GMT

I have had this happen twice but the file wasnt especially large

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Brad Elliott — Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:19:20 GMT

I have the same problem here with a 300mb Layout Book that pulls from multiple sources. The one thing I have noticed that helps resolve the issue is to make sure you check the file source setting when you re-link the file. It defaults to pulling in the files as pmk's but if you change the source to Solo projects they then come in ok and seem to remain properly linked. But the cause does seem random, I brought in 5 new sections at one time yesterday, 4 came in fine and one as a pmk.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:47:12 GMT

I'm having the same problem in a TeamWork file. Or wors't because If I open the PM in other PC some views are moved from the original location. The LBK file size is 19,073 kb with some plt imported.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

__archiben — Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:48:36 GMT

Ted wrote:
We are still experiencing this problem with "PMKs". We aren't able to refresh them or update them. We are having to re-insert them. I think it is related to large, large, large layout book sizes. Any thoughts? What are the largest layour books or models that people are having PlotMaker 'lift' to do their updates?

are you absolutely sure that your the linked view is no longer cached as a PMK? i.e. the view has been updated in archiCAD since the last time it was updated in plotmaker . . ?

maybe plotmaker isn't cleaning out its cache properly - which can happen if plotmaker crashes rather than quits as well - and it's finding wrongly stored PMKs of views . . .

~/archiben

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:45:49 GMT

I'll check out the cache issues you are mentioning. The project has been plotted, so I will see how there last week or so went...

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:40:01 GMT

I had this error the other day. Went into a layout book and updated an old file and got an error. The drawing would not update and showed that it was a pmk in the drawing useage window. It would not allow me to link the file to the PLN file. I assumed this was because it had reverted to a PMK. I had to delete the drawing and import a new file.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:14:50 GMT

ARGGHHHH! Just had two more drawings revert to PMK. They will not update when in this form and you will not realize it until you print out your sheet and realize that your revisions are not there. This is the beginning of a BIG problem if it is not resolved. There is no way that I can find to change a PMK file back to a linked drawing file without deleting the offending drawing and re-importing. Graphisoft Help!!! I can send files or screen shots, whatever would be helpful in sorting out this problem.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Brad Elliott — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:20:06 GMT

Millard,
After selecting the file and clicking the "link to" button make sure the "enable files of type" button is changed to ArchiCAD Solo Project. It defaults to PMK and so will keep reloading it as such. This should allow you to relink the file as a live link. This usually works for us though we have had files that for some reason won't switch.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Aussie John — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:56:47 GMT

I had some odd things happen yesterday where a view not only changed to a pmk but to a plan instead of section.

Also i was updating some internal elevations i had created ( using the normal section tool) and some objects I had added to the views wheren't showing up and had to reimport them to fix it.

One detail ( from detail tool) was missing some fill and lines!!! This was all with a deadline looming

Tried new and reset on both archicad and PM and restarts to no avail.

I dont know if it is related but the CAD file has been getting a number of bad parameter error on opening and even the deletion of contents in a detail due to bad elements.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:11:03 GMT

Brad wrote:
Millard,
After selecting the file and clicking the "link to" button make sure the "enable files of type" button is changed to ArchiCAD Solo Project. It defaults to PMK and so will keep reloading it as such. This should allow you to relink the file as a live link. This usually works for us though we have had files that for some reason won't switch.

Thanks for the tip. I was so frustrated that I didn't see the file type button.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Andy Thomson — Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:45:27 GMT

We've had this problem for a while in a number of projects Views reverting to PMK's in PM), on the Mac side (hasn't happened with PC yet). Usually when switching workstations - in sharing work or going to another workstation to plot/print.

We always open the PLN locally, make sure all libraries loaded properly from server, all views up-to-date/redefined, save PLN, then open LBK.

GS has asked us to clear all PM and AC caches, and are working on troubleshooting this for us....apparently is more of a problem with PLP files vs. PLN files. I'll post again if we ever figure this out...

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Thomas Holm — Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:08:57 GMT

Had this problem today: A number of section views, updated and saved in Archicad, refused to update in PM. All files local.

What I had done: The sections were modifide by copying-pasting the "model" items( into lines and fills as usual), and then dragging these copies to one side. After that, the copies were edited and then each view re-framed and "re-defined" showing these edited items only, not the original.

When "updating drawings" in Archicad, the view frame shift did not come though. PM said OK but only the original view shown. Quit and restart of both AC an PM to no avail. Had to re-import each section view once more. After that, updating of these has worked.

The files in question are not too big, AC.pln 17MB, PM.lbk around 12 MB. The project is a Solo project, and everything is stored locally. Seems like PM/AC has a limit as to the possible extent of re-defining of views.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Erika Epstein — Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:19:57 GMT

I too have been having experiencing this non-updating pmk problem on the windows side.

Project files are small, ~7500 KB each. It seems to happen only with files that are being passed back and forth from one laptop to another. No teamwork (yet).

We keet having to re-import most views.
Both laptops are win XP.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Andy Thomson — Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:23:20 GMT

the view frame shift did not come though

You must know this already, but couldn't you 'scroll' over to your copied view in the PM>drawing box? Double-click in drawing area (to make active) and slide over? Or did the Viewset actually change to a PMK?

I usually crop to 4 predefined hotspots in AC, lets everything snap nicely in PM., and save/redefine with zoom = 'none' - or maybe you speak of something else?

A

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Thomas Holm — Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:48:39 GMT

You must know this already, but couldn't you 'scroll' over to your copied view in the PM>drawing box?

Didn't try that. Although I now realize it might have worked. I'm not sure if the views really were "knocked back" to PMKs, but I really don't care because the issue as I see it is that the views don't update, not if their format has changed. To have to re-crop (or scroll) each view to its new position would be to have to re-create part of the work already done in Archicad, which is against the new PM philosophy as I see it.

As I save/redefine views with 'current zoom' enabled, I expect the views to update every aspect including current cropping. If that doesn't work, something is wrong. I'm confident Graphisoft will fix it eventually, if they're informed of the situation.

I'm also aware I might have missed some setting or another. With all the the power PM has got in its latter releases, the UI has become very complex, and not very easy to master in all its aspects. I hope I'll be excused if I've missed something.

Re: PM9 - "views" knocked back to "PMKs"

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:37:28 GMT

I have had times when my views do not update correctly in plotmaker. It seems to have been most common when I have several views selected while in the view by subset and update them all at once. Re-updating them has been fine, but it is a little disturbing to think that updating the drawings does not always (100% of the time without question) work. Its only a matter of time when a drawing set goes out without the most current information.