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PDF file size

Anonymous — Fri, 19 May 2023 14:02:31 GMT

Anyone have a explanation why a layout that has two imported PDF files (total size 100kb, all text) should, after publishing (to PDF) turn into a 5mb monster?

Re: PDF file size

Thomas Holm — Tue, 20 May 2008 08:41:51 GMT

Adam wrote:
Anyone have a explanation why a layout that has two imported PDF files (total size 100kb, all text) should, after publishing (to PDF) turn into a 5mb monster?

Nope. The issue might be unrelated, but a guess is that your pdfs are imported and treated as bit-mapped pictures?

Re: PDF file size

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:43:41 GMT

pretty sure its not a problem of how its imported (the PLN file doesnt get significantly larger) but rather its final layout conversion into PDF. I tried both Amyuni PDF convertor and Adobe Acrobat, the latter making it a 4.5mb file....has there been any issues with nesting a PDF inside another PDF?

Re: PDF file size

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:55:23 GMT

Just to make sure I'm understanding: there are no drawings of any kind on the layout (or Master) - only the text PDF files that originally were 100 kb?

Thanks,
Karl

Re: PDF file size

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:09:43 GMT

Karl wrote:
Just to make sure I'm understanding: there are no drawings of any kind on the layout (or Master) - only the text PDF files that originally were 100 kb?

Thanks,
Karl

correct - there is a title block on the master and on the layout 5 placed PDF pages, 4 from one file (25kb) and 1 from another(75kb).

Re: PDF file size

Thomas Holm — Tue, 20 May 2008 18:40:20 GMT

Adam wrote:
there is a title block on the master and on the layout 5 placed PDF pages, 4 from one file (25kb) and 1 from another(75kb).

You might have found a bug. Test what happens if you just place one of those pdfs on an empty floor plan, and print that to PDF. Then report the issue to GS through your reseller, and supply the files.

Oh, one more thing. I suddenly remembered it might be a font issue. Fonts are embedded in PDFs and display and print OK as such. But when you embed the PDF in an Archicad file and publish to PDF, it has to create a new PDF with the first one included. And that MAY (I'm not sure) mean that Archicad needs access to the embedded font as a system font file.

You know, as in the old times, when you tried tp print an Illusttrator document to a cheap inkjet non-postscript printer - there was an option to "print as image" - I think it's still available in Acrobat somewhere. The program rasterized the text to a bit-mapped image in the printer's resolution that was streamed to the printer.

If that is what Archicad does because it can't find the font file, that would explain an exploding PDF file size, while the PLN still is small.

If possible, test by embedding only PDFs that use fonts that you have installed in your system!

Even if that works, you should report it as a bug. They need to fix this.

Re: PDF file size

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:06:46 GMT

Interesting.....placed the PDF on an empty floor plan - same result. I then changed the font to Arial and ended up with a 1.91mb PDF. Times New Roman = 2.5mb PDF.

Still bigger than they should be but at least points to the problem. Thanks for your help - I'll report the issue.

Adam

Re: PDF file size

David Larrew — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:13:26 GMT

Are you running on MAC or PC? I've heard that there are some issues with the Adobe .PDF on MACs. I do know that the last build of Adobe Acrobat broke our .PDF creation process. I was told that the current problem are being looked at by Adobe.

Re: PDF file size

Thomas Holm — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:13:42 GMT

Adam wrote:
Interesting.....placed the PDF on an empty floor plan - same result. I then changed the font to Arial and ended up with a 1.91mb PDF. Times New Roman = 2.5mb PDF.

Still bigger than they should be but at least points to the problem. Thanks for your help - I'll report the issue.

Adam

OK. But please add your ACversion, platform, machine info in your signature! Are you using AC11? On what system?

Re: PDF file size

Thomas Holm — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:15:40 GMT

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Re: PDF file size

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:27:36 GMT

Nope PC. (Although seriously thinking about jumping the fence to Mac)

AC10 v1188
Windows XP
Dell precision 470 Dual 3.0GHz Xeon
2GB ram
256 MB Nvida Quadro FX

Re: PDF file size

Thomas Holm — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:35:30 GMT

AC10 - then I think you shouldn't bother to report. There will probably be no more fixes to AC10 at all. And PDF handling has changed, to the better in AC11 (although I can't guarantee that your particular issue is fixed).
I guess AC12 will be out pretty soon, judging from the buzz. I recommend an upgrade. I'm sure you'll enjoy it!

And BTW, PDF handling is simpler on the Mac.

Re: PDF file size

__archiben — Tue, 20 May 2008 21:55:31 GMT

Thomas wrote:
AC10 - then I think you shouldn't bother to report. There will probably be no more fixes to AC10 at all. And PDF handling has changed, to the better in AC11 (although I can't guarantee that your particular issue is fixed).

ignore that adam . . . please report it - it's the same PDF framework running through the latest versions. it might not get fixed in any AC10 update, but at least it might get fixed for AC11 or 12 . . .

cheers
~/archiben

Re: PDF file size

Thomas Holm — Wed, 21 May 2008 09:37:21 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
it's the same PDF framework running through the latest versions

Ben, are you sure about this?

Re: PDF file size

shute — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:19:38 GMT

In my case, nothing imported, just a typical job, the published PDF size is 12M/page. After reduced it in Acrobat only 50K.

My version is ACD 12 AUS 2156.

Re: PDF file size

Barry Kelly — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:06:11 GMT

In Windows there is a registry swith to turn "Font Subsetting" on or off.
If it is off then you can get very big PDF files.
When it is on the files are smaller.

You can switch it yourself if you go into the registry editor.
Look for the key ... [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD\ArchiCAD 12.0.0 AUS R1\PDF]\Font subsetting
Modify the value to "1".

Or you can unzip this file and just double click it to alter your registry.

Note this is only for Windows Archicad version 12.

Barry.

Re: PDF file size

shute — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:34:59 GMT

Thanks Barry. Just check and my one is 1, which means open. So it could be another reason.