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Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Jan 2025 15:43:56 GMT

It seems that Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time regardless of what project I open, or if I delete them. It is pretty messy. I've tried to delete them through the "Pens and Colors" dialogue, as well as the Attribute Manager, thinking that the .aat would be the one referenced each time I open. One thing I can think of is that I do change the title of my project periodically...but I would think that each iteration would refer to the most recent .aat, rather than revert to some previous version. What do you think?
Thanks--
John

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

TomWaltz — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:10:27 GMT

I know that when you copy/paste from one file to another, Archicad brings in all the pen sets as well. I've never seen it reload them after I delete them, though.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:19:03 GMT

Hmm...in this case, the extra pen sets represented in my current model are from other models that I didn't cut and paste from...I'm not even certain that they come from files I have opened recently (the names of the pen sets are such as "GW.lbk", referring to a previous project in AC9...where did it come from?)
Odd.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

TomWaltz — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:27:26 GMT

Zobi wrote:
Hmm...in this case, the extra pen sets represented in my current model are from other models that I didn't cut and paste from...I'm not even certain that they come from files I have opened recently (the names of the pen sets are such as "GW.lbk", referring to a previous project in AC9...where did it come from?)
Odd.

Was that project created in AC9 and updated to AC10?

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:37:42 GMT

My current project is AC10...but its geneaolgy very probably includes an AC9; at some point, out template was brought into AC10 from 9. I don't think the template I am working from was built from scratch in 10.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

TomWaltz — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:57:12 GMT

Zobi wrote:
My current project is AC10...but its geneaolgy very probably includes an AC9; at some point, out template was brought into AC10 from 9. I don't think the template I am working from was built from scratch in 10.

AC9 projects opened in AC10 created a LOT of Pen Sets, usually one for each set of pens used in the LBK file... which could be quite a few if they were not standardized.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:15:25 GMT

My memory exactly, but the curious thing is that I have since deleted (repeatedly) the extra pen sets... I am wondering if somehow somewhere and earlier (read: ancient) .aat is being referenced for the pen sets?
I don't know where to check that.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:45:15 GMT

We've been having this problem with Pen Sets as well as Complex Profiles -- keep purging them from the file and they continue to reappear. Very frustrating. This particular file is Teamworked, and team members have been instructed not to cut/paste from other files (although that's not to say it isn't happening). I have deleted the teamwork preference files, thinking that these might be the culprits, signed in with exclusive access, purged and sent/received -- the next day, they're back.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

TomWaltz — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:50:28 GMT

Laura wrote:
We've been having this problem with Pen Sets as well as Complex Profiles -- keep purging them from the file and they continue to reappear. Very frustrating. This particular file is Teamworked, and team members have been instructed not to cut/paste from other files (although that's not to say it isn't happening). I have deleted the teamwork preference files, thinking that these might be the culprits, signed in with exclusive access, purged and sent/received -- the next day, they're back.

do you have any modules in the project? That could be a source of infiltration

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:59:58 GMT

Nope -- no Xrefs or Hotlinks.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

TomWaltz — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:09:14 GMT

Laura wrote:
Nope -- no Xrefs or Hotlinks.

Sounds like you have gnomes.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Laura Yanoviak — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:32:15 GMT

Something supernatural, anyway. The oddest thing is that many of the Pen Sets/Complex Profiles are foreign to me (like, did not originate in this office). For instance, many are from Andy's ACE Materials file, that I have had open from time-to-time, but have never cut/paste from and into this particular file [I have created an office Materials Palette from the ACE file, however it is free of all non-standard attributes]. Like Zobi's Pen Sets, I know the source of many of these attributes by the name; however, how they became associated with this file is a mystery.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:39:30 GMT

Exactly.

Think its gremlins, actually.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

TomWaltz — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:51:55 GMT

Laura wrote:
For instance, many are from Andy's ACE Materials file, that I have had open from time-to-time, but have never cut/paste from and into this particular file [I have created an office Materials Palette from the ACE file, however it is free of all non-standard attributes].

It's those Canadians. They're out to get us!!

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Brad Elliott — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:27:08 GMT

I have the same problem and have pretty much given up on trying to track it down. I see by the signatures that it is a Mac and Windows problem.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:29:12 GMT

Ok, sounds to me like another bug.
Is there a place to report it?

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:31:27 GMT

I still use 9, so have little basis to speak to this problem, but have you tried throwing out the cache and preference files?

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:33:19 GMT

I haven't...but it sounds potentially dangerous, no? Like in Ghostbusters, when Ray (Egon?) suggests that, as a last resort, they need to cross the beams to blast the marshmallow man...throw away?

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Greg Kmethy — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:36:45 GMT

Zobi, please do report this to your reseller or via:
http://tr.graphisoftus.com/
This does sound like a bug.

Re: Every Pen Set Ever Used Loads Automatically Every Time

Andy Thomson — Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:20:29 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
It's those Canadians. They're out to get us!!

On the next update I'll be sure to post with as few attributes as possible. I am almost beginning to enjoy the pain caused by working with the AM. If only the referenced texture files scaled properly in the AM, I would save a materials AAT only.