topic Re: Demolition Hatch in Renovation Filter in Documentation

Demolition Hatch in Renovation Filter

Anonymous — Fri, 19 May 2023 13:34:14 GMT

Hi folks,
Something I haven't yet been able to work out with the renovation filters. I have a wall that is to be demolished, and it is set to the "To be demolished" renovation status. When I see the plan in the "Demolition" renovation filter, the wall doesn't show up with the hatch/ fill that I want all of my demolished walls to show. In the "Renovation Override Styles" i set the fill types to my desired hatch and color, but the walls do not change to that. The demolished walls accept the new line type and color that i want, just not the fill. See the picture.

Thanks in advance, I appreciate all of the great help i get on this website!
-Michael, Washington DC

Re: Demolition Hatch in Renovation Filter

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:23:16 GMT

Is your wall originally a solid-fill of some kind (25%, etc)? If so, you may have run into this bug:
http://www.archicadwiki.com/Bugs/SolidCutFillAndRenovation

Or... maybe your Model View Options have fills disabled...

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Demolition Hatch in Renovation Filter

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:27:17 GMT

Thanks Karl,
The correct fill is showing up now, but the line weights are not corresponding to the pen set that i have assigned. I want to show the existing walls as thin lines, and the demolished walls thicker. As i have it now, those purple color lines should be thicker to highlight whats being demolished. The pen number 21 in the pen set is .25mm, and should be showing thick. Is there a bug with this override setting as well?

Thanks again!

-M

Re: Demolition Hatch in Renovation Filter

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:41:12 GMT

I reported the inability to control the override line weight a few weeks ago. Like you, I want existing thinner and demo thicker (and, later, new thicker). GS is studying the issue.

There are several issues / problems. Graphisoft's approach has been to let us override the pen color only, not the weight, picking up the weight from the original content. But, it turns out, there are issues with fill overrides and composites and CP walls where it does not pick up the weight from ANY of the original skins, so there is no way to get a heavier weight using a different pen table.

Some of the pen override issues are bugs IMHO, and others are just choices that GS made in how this would be implemented that perhaps some of us disagree with.

If your walls are simple (not composite or CP) walls, then by assigning different pens to the original walls, you can create a pen table that changes the weights of those pens for the demo plan to get the look that you want. Personally, I would much rather have the override pen weight (rather than just color) apply to get the desired appearance more simply.

This extra step of pen assignments has to be a mistake, bug or at least an oversight IMHO. It makes no sense to be able to quickly mark a door as 'demo' - for automatic generation of plans - only to have to tediously also change all of the pen assignments for that door in order for it to appear with a heavy line in the demo plan. Etc. Defeats the purpose of overrides. (I didn't test with doors/etc - maybe that part works. Only tried walls and gave up.)

Another thing that might work is the tried and true method of stacking multiple drawings on top of each other on a layout... create a view that shows existing less demo, show that drawing with a thin and/or gray pen set, create another view that shows only demo bits - and show that drawing with the thicker pen set and stack it on top of the first.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Demolition Hatch in Renovation Filter

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:48:52 GMT

I see,
Well, the renovation feature is great even in its first version. I hope they work out the kinks in the next version.

Our approach has been to assign the desired fill to the demolished walls. This doesn't fully take advantage of the overrides, but hey, it works.

Thanks again, i appreciate the tips and help.

-M