topic Re: Simple Line Type Elevations in Documentation

Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 01:14:00 GMT

Hi,

I'll begin by telling you i've searched the forum and have not found my answer, so this question may be idiotically basic and if so I am sorry

I want to produce plain line elevations, with no hatching or colours, i.e. the simple kind you may produce in autocad (hiss). I've fiddled and have no idea how to progress.

Thank you for your time, and sorry if i've wasted it.
Richard.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Dwight — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:10:29 GMT

That would be by using the Analytical section or elevation tool and turning off the fancy options.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:22:04 GMT

Dwight thank you for the speedy reply, have already trawled those options and can't seem to find the option under elevation?

Expanding the question further can you produce 3d hidden wireframe axonometric views?

Thanks again,
Richard

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Dwight — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:33:36 GMT

Okay. In the Section Tool:
Fill uncut surfaces with "Nothing"
take away the "Vectoral 3D Hatching" and the
"Sun and shadows"

Very plain image remains.

Also you can make an elevation with this method:

View Mode>Internal 3D Engine can produce hidden line views OR wireframe views, but to see the hidden lines you need to activate the Special Menu [arcane wizardry methods] and enable "special hidden line" and "show all lines on surfaces" and "show special lines" or one of them or several...

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:52:38 GMT

Dwight/Richard,

Out of curiousity, what does a '3d hidden wireframe axonometric' look like and how does if differ from a standard hidden line or wireframe? What do the Special Menu options you mention actually do?

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:54:27 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the right answer, but basically what i'm trying to draw is that basic hand drawn view. I'm cheating at Uni really, we've been set a project and asked to draw some axonometric views of a residential layout we have to design, so rather that spend hours on a perspective, i'm redrawing it all in ArchiCAD, produce my views and then trace it by hand.

Thinking outside the box in my opinion

Here is what my idea of a '3d hidden wireframe axonometric'

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:15:18 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the right answer, but basically what i'm trying to draw is that basic hand drawn view. I'm cheating at Uni really, we've been set a project and asked to draw some axonometric views of a residential layout we have to design, so rather that spend hours on a perspective, i'm redrawing it all in ArchiCAD, produce my views and then trace it by hand.

A simple 'hidden line' view of the model will produce that effect in your image.

Don't be embarressed by tracing over ArchiCAD perspectives. It is the only practical and sensible way of doing it nowdays. Why would you walk 100 miles when you could drive it instead?

To be honest, you could completely cheat and use the sketch rendering option built in to AC. It's good enough to fool most people into thinking it's done by hand! Experiment with the settings and see what you can produce!

Good luck!

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:32:32 GMT

I've thought of that, perversely enough though, my tutor who has asked for this hand drawn project is also our lecturer for ArchiCAD, otherwise i would have dropped drawing, and possibly even photoshopped it pencil lines

Thanks for your help though

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:14:10 GMT

richgwilt wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right answer, but basically what i'm trying to draw is that basic hand drawn view. I'm cheating at Uni really, we've been set a project and asked to draw some axonometric views of a residential layout we have to design, so rather that spend hours on a perspective, i'm redrawing it all in ArchiCAD, produce my views and then trace it by hand.

Thinking outside the box in my opinion

Here is what my idea of a '3d hidden wireframe axonometric'

Don't confuse a Axonometric view with a perspective view.

Use the toggle button in the 3D projections settings.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Link — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:12:50 GMT

Peter wrote:
Dwight/Richard,

Out of curiousity, what does a '3d hidden wireframe axonometric' look like and how does if differ from a standard hidden line or wireframe? What do the Special Menu options you mention actually do?

The special menu will let you create 3D hidden view, and using the Special Hidden Lines... command, will let you set a linetype of your choice (eg. hidden) to the hidden lines. You know, so you can show the hidden lines in a hidden linetype.

Not really fitting for this scenario, but kinda worth knowing about.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Djordje — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:37:36 GMT

Peter wrote:
Dwight/Richard,

Out of curiosity, what does a '3d hidden wireframe axonometric' look like and how does if differ from a standard hidden line or wireframe? What do the Special Menu options you mention actually do?

The hidden lines can be dashed or dotted, partially hidden ... In fact, it mimics the hand drawing.

And I would NOT encourage architecture students to cheat this way. If you are at a site, and have to sketch an axo detail on the raw block wall, there is no ArchiCAD to help you. The guy does not know the difference between the axo and the perspective even!!!! Know how to do it first, then, for the sake of speed, do it this way.

Question for the geezers of the architectural profession like Dwight and I around here: do you remember how to derive plan form a perspective by hand? Or, we have ArchiFacade, we don't need that?

Why should you walk the 100 miles? To learn what 100 miles feels like. You can drive after that. Why should you, AN ARCHITECT (a species close to God, I hear), draft your own projects? To learn what drafting is, how long it takes, so that one day you can manage a team. Why should you go the site in the middle of the winter and freeze your butt off or in the middle of the summer and boil under the hard hat? So that you know what it is like and what matters on site. And so on.

Everybody is born a manager today. Just give me the computer. I would, if you knew what the f*** you were doing! Which you don't.

If you want to use ArchiCAD or any other software correctly, you should first have the professional and related knowledge - hand drawing, and spatial projections included - as the software does NOTHING. You do. Or should.

The way it goes here, I am scared of the future. Nothing personal, richgwilt, we have all cheated at Uni, that's also something you should know how to do. But, knowing the basics is not a boring item, it is NECESSARY. I don't see the basic professional knowledge in younger, computer literate people.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Dwight — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:29:20 GMT

If school time is finite and time consuming computer skills need to be acquired, what other learning are they missing?

Anybody?

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:31:01 GMT

Dear Djordje,

I am completely aware of the difference between axonometric and perspective, and feel there is no need to waste time detailing the difference. Further more this young computer literate student is a 27 year old, who has just left the Army where I served as a draughtsman for the past 6 years, my training started with pencil drawing and then I spent 10 months handing projects in ink on film (great product, extremely time consuming!) The army did not have ArchiCAD and so the software is a revelation to me! It did however have AutoCAD and I've dragged my knuckles using that for years. As for site experience, I hae produced a variety of construction drawings under a range of conditions, including Iraq under military conditions. 'this guy' therefore takes offence over your assumptions. I have used this site a great deal and know that you contribute a great deal, and seem to have a wealth of knowledge, however that does not give you the right to treat people with a lack of respect.

Thanks for the time and effort people have put in giving my an answer to my basic question.
Richard.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Djordje — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:19:38 GMT

Richard,

I did say "nothing personal". I don't know your background, that now explained is to be respected, so did not say anything that directly pointed to you, except the axo and perspective thing, as it did look from your post that it is not clear to you. I know of you as much as you do of me - by our posts.

However, your post prompted me to vent on the subject ... There are many others of your age and younger that deserve the criticism as I don't normally just shoot my mouth off.

Again ... nothing personal, sorry if you felt hit by the rant. Let's enjoy the Talk!

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:32:50 GMT

Djordje, sorry if I took things too personal I'm glad we sorted that out as this forum has been invaluable to me!

A big thank you goes out to everyone who has made this forum an excellent arena for learning and sharing ideas!

Rich

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Steve Jepson — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:34:55 GMT

Dwight wrote:
If school time is finite and time consuming computer skills need to be acquired, what other learning are they missing?

Anybody?

They should not be admitted to a school of Architecture in the first place until they have proven themselves to be experienced and competent builders. They should have at least 4 years experience as a craftsman of some kind and another 4 years min. experience as a Contractor. The entrance exam should be a careful review of the buildings they have constructed. They should also have a minimum of 4 years experience producing working drawings, be an expert ArchiCAD user, and be at least 35 years old.
Becoming an Architect should be the natural evolution of a Builder, not a carrier for fashion consultant/designers who want to use buildings as just another art form of self expression.
Design school should come after you know what it means to bring a building into the world, not before.
If you want to be an Architect, quit school and become a builder first, master a CAD program like ArchiCAD and then go to school when you have some experience to hang your education on and a way to earn your way through school.
I think Doctors should have to prove themselves as competent nurses before they go to medical school, and Presidents should have experience as Governors first also.
Obviously the majority of people do not agree with me about this kind of approach.
I take some consolation in what Churchill said. “The majority is seldom right about anything”.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:16:12 GMT

Steve Jepson, although I obviously disagree about being 35 (am 27) I agree, on my course no one even has any idea about construction! It is really fustrating when we have to go at snails pace explain basic concepts, for example what an external leaf is, and no they do not grow on trees as one person thought!

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Steve Jepson — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:37:37 GMT

I probably missed something but whay cant you just use the Sketch engine? Or copy and paste a hidden line view, then change the line types to a squiggly line if you want a hand drawn look ?

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:58:47 GMT

It's a time saving exercise, because the drawings need to be hand drawn and rather than draw my plans, work out the elevations, decide on views then draw either perspective or axonometric drawings, i'm modelling the project in ArchiCAD then hand tracing onto paper. The project is really interesting; I have a plot and need to create a housing estate with 100 houses, which is sub-divided into 4 types and have been given 4 weeks to complete it.

Re: Simple Line Type Elevations

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:11:16 GMT

Steve wrote:
Dwight wrote:
If school time is finite and time consuming computer skills need to be acquired, what other learning are they missing?

Anybody?
They should not be admitted to a school of Architecture in the first place until they have proven themselves to be experienced and competent builders. They should have at least 4 years experience as a craftsman of some kind and another 4 years min. experience as a Contractor. The entrance exam should be a careful review of the buildings they have constructed. They should also have a minimum of 4 years experience producing working drawings, be an expert ArchiCAD user, and be at least 35 years old.
Becoming an Architect should be the natural evolution of a Builder, not a carrier for fashion consultant/designers who want to use buildings as just another art form of self expression.
Design school should come after you know what it means to bring a building into the world, not before.
If you want to be an Architect, quit school and become a builder first, master a CAD program like ArchiCAD and then go to school when you have some experience to hang your education on and a way to earn your way through school.
I think Doctors should have to prove themselves as competent nurses before they go to medical school, and Presidents should have experience as Governors first also.
Obviously the majority of people do not agree with me about this kind of approach.
I take some consolation in what Churchill said. “The majority is seldom right about anything”.

Steve:

Are you really serious or just trying to make a point?

Don Lee