topic Re: Worksheets & Markers in Documentation

Worksheets & Markers

Anonymous — Tue, 30 May 2023 08:06:06 GMT

The project: Multi residencial units.

What we are doing:

1:100 floor plan showing general arrangement of housing units.

1:100 Worksheets of each unit type, for more detailed dimensioning and notation etc.

The Problem:

The Worksheet selection area incorporates 1 or more elevations/sections markers, these show on the Worksheet BUT every time we "Rebuild From Source View" the elevation and section marker heads relocate themselves and we then need to go around and adjust them all again.

Does anyone have any suggestions to make this stop.

Thanks,

Mike

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Barry Kelly — Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:49:05 GMT

The markers (and any other 3D elements for that matter) will always snap back to where they are located on the actual floor plan.
So you need to move them there and not in your work sheet.
Or don't rebuild your worksheet.

No need to use a work sheet anyway.
Just add an extra layer for the aditional notes and dimension and turn it on or off when ever you need it.
Then there is no need to re-built at all because you are working on the live floor plan.

Barry.

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Erwin Edel — Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:09:30 GMT

You could try making an annotation worksheet (if you must use a worksheet), use trace of floorplans, sections etc to position your annotation on the right place and then just place two views (floorplan + worksheet) on top of eachother in your layout. Saves you the hassle of rebuilding as well. You can also make your floorplan-view with grey penset and have the annotation-view black, so it is easier to read.

Personally I'd do what Barry suggests and create layers + combo's for the annotation. This is how I make ceiling and floor finish plans, for example.

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Anonymous — Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:59:17 GMT

Thanks for the comments guys, I really appreciate the fast responses.

Barry: we understand the use of layers and turning them on/off to show or hide elements when needed etc. The reason we are using worksheets is that in this type of project there are different types of units adjacent to each other that need to be dimensioned and notated separately. And by using the Worksheet selection marquee we can confine the area we need to notate.

As walls/floors/library objects in all units are on the same layers, it is impossible to turn off the adjacent units.

Basically by using the Worksheet method it allows us the space around the individual units to notate as needed.

Erwin: I am not a fan of the layover method, and I am not sure that this way would keep the dimensions 'live' to the plan.

See attached image showing the Floor Plan Window and the locations of the Elevation and Section Marker Heads, below that the Worksheet as a direct selection of the Floor Plan and notice how the marker heads have repositioned themselves. This repositioning occurs every time we Rebuild From Source.

Everything else within the Worksheet selection stays in its correct place, and the dimensions come in from the Floor Plan and stay live, it is only the marker heads that reposition.

Thanks,

Mike

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 00:53:54 GMT

Bump.

Is anyone else having this issue?

Mike

Re: Worksheets & Markers

owen — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 04:24:08 GMT

Unfortunately this is just how Worksheets work ... any elements 'clipped' from the source model view - and that includes annotation such as Section Markers if you have the 'Copy Construction Elements Only' box unchecked - will be rebuilt based on their 'real' location on rebuild.

One alternative is to check 'Copy Construction Elements Only' and then place all your annotation in the worksheet, not relying on any of it from the model view. You can the place linked Section / Elevation / Interior Elevation markers in the Worksheet and these will stay put. This is what I commonly do.

IMO Worksheets need an option to be true live views of the model without requiring a manual 'Rebuild From Source View' command ... just like we can with Sections and Elevations (Automatic, Manual or Drawing)

cheers,

owen

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 05:27:03 GMT

Owen i agree that worksheets should run like elevations and sections as in live model views, not 2D.

We did discuss using Linked Markers, but its another thing taken away form ArchiCAD's 'Automated' workflow, and it leaves room for human error if markers change on the floor plan and do not get updated by human in the worksheet.

Also we have had issues where the dimensioning can be lost when they are done in the worksheet when a 'Rebuild From Source View' is performed.

What to do?

Mike

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Erwin Edel — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 07:35:56 GMT

If the issue is turning on and off units, you could consider using hotlinked modules for each unit that you can turn on and off by turning on and off the layer of the hotlink.

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Link — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:59:14 GMT

This is a real shortcoming in ArchiCAD's workflow for creating enlarged floor plans IMHO. If we overlay drawings we run into trouble with adjacent rooms. if we use multiple dimensions and masking fills for each room, we run into layer issues. If we use worksheets, we have 'manual-update' views and because AC completely deletes and rebuilds the worksheet each time we Rebuild from Source View, we lose our associated dimensions, or they go static.

Hardly great BIM.

The best workflow I've come up with so far is to use the worksheet method and hide my markers coming from the floor plan and place linked markers on the worksheet (as suggested already). All seem to update instantly if there's any change to the reference layouts, so no dramas so far.

Still, GS really needs to come up with a better solution. Perhaps a live worksheet with a built-in masking border (to dimension over) is the best way to go?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Worksheets & Markers

Link — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 06:41:11 GMT

I just noticed that if your S/Es are set to show partially or entirely in range then they do not appear in a detail or worksheet at all. It must be to associate its vertical range to the height (or lack thereof) of the detail or worksheet.

It really is broken and needs fixing.

Cheers,
Link.