topic Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects in Documentation

Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Tue, 23 May 2023 01:11:46 GMT

Please see attached JPG.
basically (for those of you who'd prefer 'reading' than seeing a graphic explanation).

the interior elevations produced from the model aren't up to PAR (don't cut it) when it comes to the linework graphics....so I had to redraw my 3d elevations into 2d...

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Tue, 01 May 2012 15:11:29 GMT

Yes.....had to redraw, in 2D, ALL my interior elevations.
I have 10 sheets filled with AC15 model interior elevations.

When my employer saw them, he said..."wow..you generated them quickly"..I said..."yes, they are coming from the model"..

So I thought all was kosher...but apparently in the high-end interior design world...interior elevations need to LOOK a certain way....and Iv'e tried and tried and spun my wheels (wasted time I mean) in figuring out how best to graphically with line quality and lineweights represent an interior 2d elevation well....and there simply is no way to do that efficiently in AC15....we had to resort back to the old tried and true (even though I hate to admit it) 2D drafting tool.

it's gonna SUCK when the 10 sheets filled of interior elevation now need to be revised but so be it.......Whatev's....is what I say....that'll just mean it will take me "more" time to do the work that's all.....so much for the 3D model..

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 01 May 2012 16:11:50 GMT

For the toilet elevations or any other object that is not displayed properly you could use a "Patch" that you will be pasting on all of the Interior Elevations with the result that if the change you only have to edit the Patch to change them all.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Tue, 01 May 2012 17:32:11 GMT

Explain "patch" please. Not sure what you mean....feel free to
Use as much of a 'graphic' explanation as you wish.....picture
Is worth a thousand words while an animation is worth a million.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Tue, 01 May 2012 21:11:08 GMT

here's another commentary/observation...where are the 2d parametric symbols for:
TOILET DISPENSER?
TOWEL BAR? (FRONT, SIDE, ETC.)
LAVATORY FIXTURES?
PAPER TOWEL DISPENSORS??

in what location/library folder do I find these above mentioned items??

Please advise guru's.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Tue, 01 May 2012 21:27:22 GMT

....mooooo----vvvvvv-----ing......2.....D.....line........work......Vvvvvverrrrry......sssssslllllloooooowwwwlllllyyyyy..............ARGH!....someone just end the pain for Pete's sake!!

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Anonymous — Wed, 02 May 2012 01:41:54 GMT

Why are you trying to snap the linework to the 2d WC object?
You can set the 2d background fill on the object to white and use the drawing order options to cover the linework as required.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 02 May 2012 01:45:12 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Explain "patch" please. Not sure what you mean....feel free to
Use as much of a 'graphic' explanation as you wish.....picture
Is worth a thousand words while an animation is worth a million.

page 1251 of the Reference Guide

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 12:49:59 GMT

Why are you trying to snap the linework to the 2d WC object? ......well because as you can see...when a "base board" 2d linework is shown graphically "behind" the toilet...I'd like to make sure the line is trimmed/snapped/ended properly at the toilet elevation edge...you know..precision drafting....that's why I'm trying to trim/snap to the edge graphic linework of the toilet 2D object.....it's done all the time when you trim a line to an object....at least that's how I draw accurately.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:23:42 GMT

what does the "Create the Patch" do?
never even knew it existed.....can someone show me graphically what this function does?

Looks interesting....

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:31:59 GMT

It creates an editable "2D sticker" that you can copy/paste as you need, cover up what is behind it and since it is saved as a library part you only have to edit the sticker and it will update all placed instances. In Autocad terms it is a "block". In analog terms it is the equivalent of a "sticky-back" or "stamp pad" if you are familiar with the terms.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:34:37 GMT

wow...now that's a slick function.
Sticker huh...I'll have to try that one perhaps on the interior elevations.
Now do you have to follow the outer contour lines of what you are creating a "sticker" of or can you simply do a 'rectangular marquee' of the "patch" you are trying to mimic?

Interesting...very interesting....
An Archicad "block" huh....i'll have to definately try it sir....thank you.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:38:11 GMT

AFAIK it is square but it is the same logic as Complex Profiles with the difference that lines are shown

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:39:49 GMT

well....it appears I've busted the "myth" behind the "Patch" function.
Cant' seem to do it in 'interior elevation' view...only seems to be functional in "PLAN view" of the model...bummer.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 02 May 2012 13:44:02 GMT

Rob, you give up to easily without reading the Manual. You need to define an area using the marquee tool. I tried and it works with Interior Elevations.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:10:19 GMT

there must be something I'm not installing...not doing properly...it's "greyed" out only when I'm in the interior elevation views....

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:11:37 GMT

DId you draw a marquee around the area?

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:11:54 GMT

sorry...too much coffee this am and deadline looming....
doesn't appear to be working in the plan view either....

is there something...some add-on functionality that needs to be installed?
it's "greyed out" for me in ALL views....what am I missing?

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

rob2218 — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:12:51 GMT

did not draw "marquee"...sorry will try that.

Re: Interior Elevation - 2D objects vs. 3D objects

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 02 May 2012 14:13:24 GMT

DID you USE the MARQUEE TOOL to DEFINE an AREA to be SAVED as a PATCH?