topic Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output in Documentation

Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Fri, 19 May 2023 20:19:57 GMT

Is there a reason why lineweight is ignored? I adjusted my pen weight for pen #201 to 3mm - I need a bold line for graphics purposes - but when I place the drawing on a layout and publish as PDF, the lineweight is lost!

Does anyone know why?

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Erika Epstein — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:04:08 GMT

sounds like your view might have been saved when hairlines was active

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

TomWaltz — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:46 GMT

Hairline and True Weight only affect what you see on-screen, not what prints. Archicad always prints with true weights (unless you override it in the Plot/Print menu).

Most likely you are editing the pen weight in a different pen set than what is assigned to the view on your layout. Check to see which pen set you have assigned to the view on the layout.

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:50:13 GMT

The layout is assigned with the correct Pen Set.

Erika - how do you mean - "with hairlines" ? Where is that setting?

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:09:43 GMT

I notice when I am viewing the layout, select the drawing and open the settings window - under Pens, I select "View the Drawing's own Pen Set". In this window, it shows the Pens used. Is this just for the layout book itself, and NOT the placed drawing within it?

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Erika Epstein — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:38:50 GMT

View>on screen view options

You can toggle between Hairlines and Trueweights. Many of us use the shortcut key 'H' for this.

In the settings box for the drawing, If COLORS: is set to 'Defined by Pen Set' then the pen set assigned to the drawing will be that under PEN SET. In the screen shot the pen set applied to this drawing for printing is called 'Arch Pens Black'.

Can you post the same screenshot with your settings?

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Erika Epstein — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:45:27 GMT

forgot screenshot and can't seem to add it to original post

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:48:54 GMT

To clarify (or make your head spin further) - the pen set for the layout has nothing to do with the pen set for the drawing...which MAY have nothing to do with the pen set for the view upon which the drawing is based. The pen set for the layout is the one that will be used to display any linework/etc drawn on the layout.

To see what pen set the drawing is using, select it as you have and go to the settings dialog as advised by others.

When you drag and drop a view onto a layout, the current settings for the Drawing Tool determine the initial penset, title, etc.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:12:11 GMT

Erika wrote:
forgot screenshot and can't seem to add it to original post

OK Here are some images that explain things.... this is the result - no bold lines - this is how it appears on the layout AND when I print the page on paper.

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:23:21 GMT

Another Image... this is the view showing real line weights 'on-screen'...

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:24:03 GMT

Another Image... this is the drawing properties from the layout book - indicating which pen set is used....

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:24:55 GMT

Here is the Pen Set list from the Attributes Manager....

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:31:05 GMT

One thing I may have overlooked..... notice that the line on screen is 'pink' and the pen #201 is 'red'. I should note that I drew the original line using the mark-up tool, and then changed the line after drawing it.

I will check to see if this is the source of the problem.

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:35:28 GMT

Here is a screenshot of the Mark-up tool dialog box... I should note that I haven't used this tool before...

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:41:49 GMT

Problem solved.... the mark-up tool was the issue... as you can see, I drew a new line without the markup tool, and the result is the proper lineweight. The image is from the resulting PDF.

So does anyone know why the Mark-up tool does not translate lineweights? Or rather, is it possible to edit the mark-up so that the proper lineweight is used?

Thanks...

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:50:03 GMT

I tested the theory by drawing a new rectangle using a heavy line, and using the markup tool to 'convert' the line to a 'correction'. The result is that the line i drew loses it pen weight and color.

So I guess this is now a discussion about setting the mark-up tools pen weight assignments? Is this possible?

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:46:52 GMT

No, you saw 'correct' behavior. Elements drawn with the markup tool will display with the markup style's pens until they are converted to normal elements. This is a 'feature'. 😉

I've been frustrated with the 3D appearance of markup elements - similar kind of thing as you've run into.

Might be worth posting a wish that we have a Model View Option that permits Markup Elements to be displayed with with markup attributes or with their own attributes. Would make using markup for design alternatives much more useful.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:03:14 GMT

Karl wrote:
No, you saw 'correct' behavior. Elements drawn with the markup tool will display with the markup style's pens until they are converted to normal elements. This is a 'feature'. 😉

I've been frustrated with the 3D appearance of markup elements - similar kind of thing as you've run into.

Might be worth posting a wish that we have a Model View Option that permits Markup Elements to be displayed with with markup attributes or with their own attributes. Would make using markup for design alternatives much more useful.

Cheers,
Karl

I'm new to using the Mark-up tool, so I can't say what would be a benefit or not. However, am I missing something, or is it not possible to assign different pens weights/colors to the Mark-up notation items? If not, that just seems bizarre.

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:32:51 GMT

LINZ wrote:
am I missing something, or is it not possible to assign different pens weights/colors to the Mark-up notation items? If not, that just seems bizarre.

No, that's the way it works... guess I didn't explain clearly the first time. You can and should assign all attributes - pens, materials, layers, etc - as normal - but the elements will display with the markup pens as long as they are markup items. Only upon conversion to 'normal' items via the markup palette will they show with the assigned pens.

You can create as many markup classes as you want though. So, if you need such revision clouds and a markup item feels like the right way to do it to you (vs a revision layer, etc), then just go to Options > Element Attributes and define a markup class for just clouds that uses your fat pen. Since your screenshot suggests that this is a permanent part of the document set, personally I would not recommend using markup, but rather layer control. For example, I've never tested what happens to markup items if you save as a DWG or IFC...

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Lineweights: Display versus Output

Erich — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:20:07 GMT

Linz, Do you have the print hairline option turned on perhaps?