topic Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or in Documentation

Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or not

Dennis Lee — Mon, 22 May 2023 21:59:40 GMT

The renovation features are great in general, but how do others deal with showing annotation in the different plans?

Obviously the modeling elements can have the renovation settings set according to the design intent, but how do you show leaders, notes, detail references, enlarged plan references, section / elevation markers in the different plans?

Leader lines and dimension lines take on the linetype override settings set in the renovation overrides, so if you have all the demolition items to show up with a hidden line for example, your dimensions and leader notes will show up with hidden lines as well. This can be solved to a certain extent by having the "demolition" notes and dims to actually be "existing" status (thus not taking on the hidden line override of the demolition filter), but checked to show on the "current filter only" with the demolition plan.

However, the viewpoint generators (section, elevation, interior elevation, detail callouts) all seem to have no renovation filter setting at all? Does this mean that if you want to show the detail reference of a new wall, it will show up in the demolition plan as well? Does this mean that for all the annotation elements it is still better to have a different layer combo for the different plans?

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Laura Yanoviak — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:51:12 GMT

Dennis wrote:
Does this mean that for all the annotation elements it is still better to have a different layer combo for the different plans?

I believe so. As I update our template for AC15, I've been hesitant to do away with all of the DEMO/EXST Layers and Layer Combinations. I believe we can do without most but not all.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

vfrontiers — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:22:00 GMT

You are on to something here...

GS WISH... Put in a DIMENSIONS and LABEL override as well... (ie, to NOT subject them to overrides)..

For your issue now, though... From the cuff here... what about working it back words...

Start your DEMO STUFF with DASHED lines and override to SOLID for PRE DEMOLITION status... Then you can keep your DEMO LABELS drawn SOLID and overridden to SOLID with the filter...

Just a thought (haven't flushed it thru all the way.. but see what you can do with it..

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:03:42 GMT

I suppose a workaround is to use multiple drawings (views) stacked on top of each other in a Layout, as is needed in other situations. The demo view could omit the dimensions and there could be a separate demo view (with solid lines) that shows just the dimensions and you overlay this one on top the first in the layout?

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Laura Yanoviak — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:08:37 GMT

It's a shame all elements don't have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- as there are always exceptions to every rule.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:31:12 GMT

Laura wrote:
It's a shame all elements don't have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- as there are always exceptions to every rule.

Great idea!

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Dennis Lee — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:12:02 GMT

Karl wrote:
Laura wrote:
It's a shame all elements don't have an "Ignore Renovation Filter Overrides" setting -- as there are always exceptions to every rule.
Great idea!

Yes! Plus, get EVERYTHING to have the renovation status field, including those section, elevation, detail markers.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Dennis Lee — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:19:29 GMT

vfrontiers wrote:
You are on to something here...

GS WISH... Put in a DIMENSIONS and LABEL override as well... (ie, to NOT subject them to overrides)..

For your issue now, though... From the cuff here... what about working it back words...

Start your DEMO STUFF with DASHED lines and override to SOLID for PRE DEMOLITION status... Then you can keep your DEMO LABELS drawn SOLID and overridden to SOLID with the filter...

Just a thought (haven't flushed it thru all the way.. but see what you can do with it..

Nice idea too, but I think the dimensions and annotations taking on the hidden line is something I can live with. Like I said, have the dimensions be "existing" status, and for the dimension string that deals with demo items, have that dimension be set to show up on "demo" filter only. For leader notes, the arrow can be a hidden line, but since the leader itself can be different angle from most construction items, it won't be as confusing as having dimension lines showing up same line type as demo construction items. Otherwise, you can make the leader notes "existing" filter with manual setting to show on "demo" filter only as well.

The only thing that's really not allowing me to get rid of all demo / eisting / new layers and layer combos is the view point tools (section, elevation, IE, detail, worksheet markers) not having this renovation setting at all.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Dennis Lee — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:25:49 GMT

Laura wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Does this mean that for all the annotation elements it is still better to have a different layer combo for the different plans?
I believe so. As I update our template for AC15, I've been hesitant to do away with all of the DEMO/EXST Layers and Layer Combinations. I believe we can do without most but not all.

Thanks for your feedback. It's good to know I'm not missing something obvious. I guess getting rid of the DEMO/ EXST layers for all construction elements at least is a good thing! Glass half full... 🙂

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Laura Yanoviak — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:40:00 GMT

Wish made

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

cgrimley — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:20:29 GMT

Dennis wrote:
Leader lines and dimension lines take on the linetype override settings set in the renovation overrides, so if you have all the demolition items to show up with a hidden line for example, your dimensions and leader notes will show up with hidden lines as well. This can be solved to a certain extent by having the "demolition" notes and dims to actually be "existing" status (thus not taking on the hidden line override of the demolition filter), but checked to show on the "current filter only" with the demolition plan.

Here's the problem I'm having, my dimensions are on the "New" Status and they show up fine in the view, but once I place the view on a layout the dimension lines show up dashed and gray, which is my override setting for "Existing" status.
This only occurs on the Elevation dimensions in section or elevation. (see attached)
I think this might be a bug of some sort. Has anyone else had this problem?

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

vfrontiers — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:10:06 GMT

And if you OPEN SOURCE VIEW of this drawing from your Layout, do you see it correctly?

If not, your RENOVATION FILTER as set in your VIEW OPTIONS is different than you want...Make sure this is set correctly...

If yes, then most like some kind of bug.

Just a guess....

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

cgrimley — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:37:47 GMT

Yes its shown correctly in the source view

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:00:03 GMT

Dear all,
I have a problem and maybe you found a workaround.
I have a section A, and with the new AC15 renovation feature I try to have two different section layouts (Existing and Proposal)
In the section marker - 2nd row I try to find out how to have both layouts linked, of course not in the same time.
It's possible to have two different section with the same ID and different name in different layers linked to different layouts, but I need to take care of both section settings instead of one.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Regards.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:48:24 GMT

Catalin wrote:
Dear all,
I have a problem and maybe you found a workaround.
I have a section A, and with the new AC15 renovation feature I try to have two different section layouts (Existing and Proposal)
In the section marker - 2nd row I try to find out how to have both layouts linked, of course not in the same time.
It's possible to have two different section with the same ID and different name in different layers linked to different layouts, but I need to take care of both section settings instead of one.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Regards.

If I understand correctly you can use the same, uniquely named section to create differently named views with different layer and renovation status settings.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:44:50 GMT

Indeed Matthew, so it's only one way. We treat this issue as a bug/omission or this is the only way? It will become harder and harder to manage...

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:53:21 GMT

I guess I don't understand the problem. The single viewpoint provides the source for multiple views which can be renamed (or not) as needed for their various purposes. I don't see how this could be improved. Definitely a feature rather than a bug from my perspective.

BTW: The views can have the same names if you prefer and just be organized into different folders.

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:03:21 GMT

Yes the single viewpoint provide the source for multiple views but the marker on the plans for the section, but in the 2nd row text I need to reference it to multiple layouts (at least one for existing and one for proposal)

so one section can be referenced (text in the 2nd row) to only one layout

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:35:52 GMT

OK, I understand now. It is a problem of the referencing. Do you need it to: 1. show both sheet references at once or; 2. different ones depending on the drawing set. These might be accomplished (though I'm not sure) by:

1. This might be possible with a custom section marker. I'd have to check the GDL options to be sure

2. Use different PLN files for each drawing set so the drawing

Re: Renovation Feature - Diff Layer Combos for Diff plans or

JaredBanks — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:51:53 GMT

This could also be handled with linked markers on various layers, each linking to one of the saved views.