topic Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation in Documentation

3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Feb 2025 12:57:35 GMT

I need to change pen set of placed details that were originally drawn
at 3" = 1'-0" so that they read correctly at 1 1/2" = 1'-0"
I have not done this before! Is there an easy way to convert the pen set
I'm using now to a new pen set with all the pens the same except for line weights 50% of the original pen set? Or, is this not a direct correlation between size and line weight? Seems logical?

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:19:59 GMT

Pen line weights should print the same no matter what the scale they are put on the layout sheet at. You shouldn't need to have a pen set for each different scale.

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:26:27 GMT

It's true that the pens will print at the same weight regardless of scale, but I do often tweak pen sets for a better read at different scales. Usually it's just an adjustment to the cut outline pen (pen #1 by default and, in my case, by strict application) to keep walls from getting blobby at small scales and getting them to pop at larger ones.

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:44:49 GMT

I like to have a different set for large scale details. The difference in weight that is visible at small scale is all but invisible at large scale unless the weights are beefed up IMHO. Purely a personal / artistic preference.

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:53:24 GMT

This detail was created @ 3" = 1'-0"
When I place it on my detail sheet and change the scale so that it fits
into a square the lines begin to bleed into each other.
See next post.

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:04:20 GMT

changing the scale to 1 1/2" = 1'-0"
Because the detail is drawn with lines and fills. The pen weights
are staying the same.
Any suggestions as to how to correct this with a special pen set to assign
to detail drawings?
I deffinetly need to solve this problem ASAP.
It would be nice to have a pen set that adjusted for changing scale from
3" to half scale as well (pens would get even larger line weight)

I also have the problem when printing my floor plan 1/4" native
to 1/8" on a layout, but have been living with the results...Ugh

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:20:03 GMT

Make sure you're saving the pen set correctly by going to Options - element attributes - pens and colors. Pen an existing set and make the changes to pen sizes and then store as 'whatever name you want'. On your layout select the drawing window and open the setting dialog box and make sure the pen set for that window is the one you created. Make sure in the view menu you have the true line weights set to show.

Hope that helps

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:31:52 GMT

Okay, will follow your instructions and see if I can get this to work w/ a
copy of my job file.

Thank you all for helping!!

Seems like I am spending half my time on this job just trying to
get the computer output correct.

outpostarc wrote:
Make sure you're saving the pen set correctly by going to Options - element attributes - pens and colors. Pen an existing set and make the changes to pen sizes and then store as 'whatever name you want'. On your layout select the drawing window and open the setting dialog box and make sure the pen set for that window is the one you created. Make sure in the view menu you have the true line weights set to show.

Hope that helps

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:48:54 GMT

Mark,

When I get into pens and colors from the options, element attributes, pens and colors. Is the highlighted penset the current penset for my entire project?
If so, I guess the idea is to somehow make a copy of this penset since it's
the one I used to draw the details in the first place.
then make changes to the copy and name it so I can find it when I go to change the detail drawing pen set.
Then when I'm done doing that I probably should make sure the original
highlighted penset is highlighted again before I leave the dialog box so that the project penset does not change?

Does that sound right?

If I type a description of my new penset with the originally highlighted penset still highlighted and do a "store as" will that new pen set be a copy of
the current project pen set that I can use for my details?

outpostarc wrote:
Make sure you're saving the pen set correctly by going to Options - element attributes - pens and colors. Pen an existing set and make the changes to pen sizes and then store as 'whatever name you want'. On your layout select the drawing window and open the setting dialog box and make sure the pen set for that window is the one you created. Make sure in the view menu you have the true line weights set to show.

Hope that helps

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:05:04 GMT

Johnathan,

Yes, however, the drawings in the navigator or the layout sheets can be set with the pen set you want. So double clicking in the navigator changes it to the one you assigned to it.

I typically use one pen set for all my work and then make the pen set assignments on the layout sheets.

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:48:47 GMT

Jonathan wrote:
the idea is to somehow make a copy of this penset

Mark's earlier instructions are how you make a copy. There is no 'duplicate' command is there is with materials, for example. Instead, just select the penset that you want 'duplicated' and start editing. Then, Save the pen set with a new name. (Saving with the original name is how you modify the original pen table.)

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 18:41:42 GMT

Thanks Karl!!

I guess I have to remember that it's okay if I mess up because it's just a
copy of the project.
I'm going to do it right now. If this works it's a huge piece of the puzzle for me!!

Will let you know.

Karl wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
the idea is to somehow make a copy of this penset
Mark's earlier instructions are how you make a copy. There is no 'duplicate' command is there is with materials, for example. Instead, just select the penset that you want 'duplicated' and start editing. Then, Save the pen set with a new name. (Saving with the original name is how you modify the original pen table.)

Re: 3" details to 1 1/2" details pen set creation

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:09:55 GMT

Wow, I'm like a kid in a candy store at Disneyland.
It worked perfectly. Now I can create details at any scale. The possibilities are endless.

Thank you all for teaching me how to fish again in the new modern Trout stream.

Karl wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
the idea is to somehow make a copy of this penset
Mark's earlier instructions are how you make a copy. There is no 'duplicate' command is there is with materials, for example. Instead, just select the penset that you want 'duplicated' and start editing. Then, Save the pen set with a new name. (Saving with the original name is how you modify the original pen table.)