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Drawing Title Type in AC10

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Feb 2025 14:39:07 GMT

How do I go about making a new drawing Title Type. in AC9 PM you had the option within the tree to make a new title type using 2d drawing and autotext. Very simple. But now I only have the options of pre made title types with no option of making my own. I have looked in the help index and all they say is the pre made title types are GDL parts and don't mention anything about making a custom one. What am I missing?

Thanks,
Jim

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Scott Bulmer — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:26:01 GMT

Goto File>Library & Objects>Save As Title Types. Create using autotext.
Hope that's what you're looking for.
Scott

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:10:00 GMT

Thanks Scott. I found it right before I saw your reply. Thanks again.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Scott Bulmer — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 00:51:35 GMT

Jim,
FYI, I have been unable to successfully have a custom created title type function properly in 10. In PM9 there is autotext 'Drawing Number', but that's not available in 10. Setting that aside, the title type either won't assign to the drawing, or will distort in an usable way.
Scott

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Link — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:19:11 GMT

Jim,
FYI, I have been unable to successfully have a custom created title type function properly in 10. In PM9 there is autotext 'Drawing Number', but that's not available in 10. Setting that aside, the title type either won't assign to the drawing, or will distort in an usable way.
Scott

You're not the only one Scott. I have found all titles from AC9 to be unusable so far. Not just the geometrics, but the positioning and fact that they have no parameters associated to them. I am waiting to hear back from GS about it but maybe one of our powers users or GDL gurus can help us solve the problem. Even titles created with linework and text, via the File > Library & Objects > Save As Title Types menu don't seem to have the parameters that the standard titles do.

You may have to pose the question though...

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:09:41 GMT

Thanks again Scott. You're right, no drawing number in auto text. I was trying all of the auto text that was associated with a number, hoping that they just disguised it as another name (since this seems to be a typical thing with AC10). This needs to be fixed so that custom title types can even be usable.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Link — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:28:59 GMT

You're right, no drawing number in auto text.

It's Drawing ID now. If you edit a Drawing's Settings you'll see it's ID at the top. It can be quite a complex system in 10 when it comes to numbering. Maybe a bit too complex!

Still, the problem is that these titles are definitely not user friendly.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Scott Bulmer — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:22:27 GMT

Link wrote:

It can be quite a complex system in 10 when it comes to numbering. Maybe a bit too complex!

Strong agreement, somewhat overly (or unnecessarily) complex.

BTW, I tried using Drawing ID in a custom TT for a drawing placed on a grided layout. That did not return the expected grid cell number.

Anyway here's another thought that may work; create custom title types in PM9 then export to a folder. That should do it.
Scott

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Link — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:09:05 GMT

BTW, I tried using Drawing ID in a custom TT for a drawing placed on a grided layout. That did not return the expected grid cell number.

That's the thing - it depends on whether the detail drawing has it's numbering assignment set to:

a) By Layout
b) By View
c) Custom

Then it depends if the layout numbering is set to:

d) a,b,c, or A,B,C or 1,2,3 or 01,02,03 or 001,002,003 or 0001,0002,0003 or No ID!

or if the view ID is set to:

e) By Project Map
f) None
g) Custom

[And if they are clones the ID can be set to:

h) By Viewpoint
i) None
j) Custom]

Then it may depend on if the ID of the detail is set to:

k) Show Reference ID
l) Custom Text

On top of all that it could depend on if the detail marker is set to:

m) Referred Drawing

which will take you full circle back to a) b) c).

Phew - good luck with all THAT!

Anyway here's another thought that may work; create custom title types in PM9 then export to a folder. That should do it.

Not in my experience. Any title that does not ship with ArchiCAD simply does not work correctly.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:51:44 GMT

Link wrote:
BTW, I tried using Drawing ID in a custom TT for a drawing placed on a grided layout. That did not return the expected grid cell number.
That's the thing - it depends on whether the detail drawing has it's numbering assignment set to:

a) By Layout
b) By View
c) Custom

Then it depends if the layout numbering is set to:

d) a,b,c, or A,B,C or 1,2,3 or 01,02,03 or 001,002,003 or 0001,0002,0003 or No ID!

or if the view ID is set to:

e) By Project Map
f) None
g) Custom

[And if they are clones the ID can be set to:

h) By Viewpoint
i) None
j) Custom]

Then it may depend on if the ID of the detail is set to:

k) Show Reference ID
l) Custom Text

On top of all that it could depend on if the detail marker is set to:

m) Referred Drawing

which will take you full circle back to a) b) c).

Phew - good luck with all THAT!

Anyway here's another thought that may work; create custom title types in PM9 then export to a folder. That should do it.
Not in my experience. Any title that does not ship with ArchiCAD simply does not work correctly.

Cheers,
Link.

Sounds simple enough

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:17:20 GMT

I'm beginning to sense that you guys have crossed over to the dark side.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

James Murray — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:28 GMT

Link wrote:
Phew - good luck with all THAT!

It's automatic!

My wrists hurt just thinking about typing that up.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Haneef Tayob — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:05:38 GMT

Anyone have luck with solving this issue.
All custom titles I've created thusfar end up distorted and they sit inside the drawing frame, not below it.

If it's going to be difficult, then maybe GS must issue a whole lot of customisable titles, with each text block height and styel editable, from which one will hopefully find a suitable one.

I basically need to know how to create a title as per attached image. As I mentioned, the result of my attempt are distorted titles.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Scott Bulmer — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:09:20 GMT

Haneef,
Please look at the ArchiWiki page http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Creating_Title_Types

That may explain what you need.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:28:46 GMT

To correct distorted titles you can change title to "none", then change it back to desired title. This should reset the scale properly.

As for placement, apart from dragging it, I dunno.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

James Murray — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:27:55 GMT

s2art wrote:
As for placement, apart from dragging it, I dunno.

You need something in the code. The default origin is the lower left corner of the frame. If you put in, e.g.,

ADD2 0, -0.5"

...at the top of the 2D script, the title would default to 1/2" below that corner. From there, you could still drag it wherever.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Link — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:40:04 GMT

James said:

The default origin is the lower left corner of the frame...

Is it just me or would it be better to have the anchor point for a title at the top left corner? Seems most users want to anchor the top left of the title to the bottom left of the drawing. But not everyone, so why aren't hotspots in titles available as insertion points for titles. Then we'd go a long way to replicating the old AC9 title anchor points. People could anchor by the center or the right. Is this the same reason that nothing appears in the 2D Symbol window of the part?

While I am at it James, is there a way of anchoring the title so that if the drawing moves, the title doesn't? I know more than a few of my clients would like this. Then they could form a kind of list on their sheets without worrying that the list won't jump all over the joint.

[Edit: maybe not the best example because of new drawing lists. How about those people who just like their titles to appear in the same place on every layout, like at the very bottom center of their layouts? Etc.]

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

James Murray — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:38:35 GMT

Link wrote:
But not everyone, so why aren't hotspots in titles available as insertion points for titles. Then we'd go a long way to replicating the old AC9 title anchor points. People could anchor by the center or the right.

Again, it's script: You can do anything. But you have to use the script to do it. No reason you couldn't say, go up by the height of the frame, go up by whatever you need to get clearance for the title itself, then draw it. But it's code. The subtype itself seems a little underpowered, as we've noted.

Link wrote:
Is this the same reason that nothing appears in the 2D Symbol window of the part?

The empty symbol just means everything is drawn by the code. They've made a clean break with the drawn titles of 9. When a 9 title is converted, it becomes drag and drop type script.

Out of curiosity I tried to make a symbol-only title with no 2D script. Not happy. Every time I move it, it vanishes. Nice.

...hm, out of more curiosity, I tried FRAGMENT2 to show the symbol and that works. So in theory, you could draw a title in the symbol window, with autotexts, put FRAGMENT2 1,1 in the script, and it would work, as long as you didn't care at all about stretchiness or fitting the frame etc. (Is that what the 9 titles are like?)

Useful?

is there a way of anchoring the title so that if the drawing moves, the title doesn't?...How about those people who just like their titles to appear in the same place on every layout, like at the very bottom center of their layouts? Etc.

I don't think so, and I can't see a workaround. The title's origin is bound to the frame. Move the drawing, move the title's origin. I don't see a way to compensate for moving the drawing in the script/subtype.

As for the same place, that's what I want in my plans so I'm continuing to use my old, model-space title object for them. It's multistory so I use one object for all the plans, and the titles are all aligned. I couldn't give that up. 'Real' titles for everything else.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

Link — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:18:59 GMT

Good Lord!!

ArchiCAD 10 tiltes really are in a sorry state. Thanks for confirming and trying all those tests.

Think I'm gonna find something else fun to play with. Hmmmmm, maybe complex profiles or direct drawing references....

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Drawing Title Type in AC10

LiHigh — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:43:43 GMT

It's definitely a bug!

Try this: Delete the Transformation as Shown and change the X-coordinate of textblock to AC_DrawingRect [3]/2 and Y-cord to 0. It will move the Title to bottom-center of the Drawing Frame. for other position, try it yourself!

Plaese note that The Drawing frame is equivalent to:

RECT2   AC_DrawingRect [1], AC_DrawingRect [2], AC_DrawingRect [3], AC_DrawingRect [4]

BTW, you can activate the grey-out parameters by turning OFF "AC_ConvertedTitle".