topic Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF in Documentation

Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Fri, 19 May 2023 20:16:50 GMT

Is this a bug?

We've used several casework objects from ArchiCAD 14 Library and we just noticed that the ellipse basin does not appear on our published PDFs. The round basin of the SAME object shows up. The double sink from the cabinet object shows up too. Seems like this could be isolated to the ellipse basin only.

I've attached an image in which was copied from a published PDF in Adboe.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Erika Epstein — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:46:50 GMT

No problem here. What is your scale sensitivity?

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Steve Jepson — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:53:29 GMT

ksymons19 wrote:
Is this a bug?

We've used several casework objects from ArchiCAD 14 Library and we just noticed that the ellipse basin does not appear on our published PDFs. The round basin of the SAME object shows up. The double sink from the cabinet object shows up too. Seems like this could be isolated to the ellipse basin only.

I've attached an image in which was copied from a published PDF in Adboe.

I could not produce the problem either. I tried to print and publish with different .pdf settings. Ellipse seems to work fine with any scale sensitivity setting. I also tried printing from the floor plan and from the layout.
??
Do you have the MEP Modeler installed ?

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:15:59 GMT

Definitely sounds like a bug.

I noticed that the objects were placed on the plan with the flip and rotation box checked (see attached) and after un-checking it, it printed to PDF correctly. Erica and Steve, could either one of you verify that? And thanks for responding.

UPDATE: Now this is where it's annoying to us - the object is part of a module used as unit plans and when the unit module is mirrored, the ellipse disappears in PDF. It always had appeared on plans and even the layout book; it just disappears when opening the PDF file.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Steve Jepson — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:56:01 GMT

no. it did not make a difference for me.

I did notice something interesting about this part.

It seem to have two places to change the same setting.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:32:05 GMT

Well, I am just puzzled how it's so far isolated to our office. Maybe there is a setting in our template that is interfering with the ellipse basin so I will have to further look into it. I will start by answering questions asked here.

Erika - for scale sensitivity the 2D Detail Level under 2D Representation is set at Scale Sensitive. I changed the option to each of the other scales (1:50, 1:100, and 1:200) and the results where the same - mirrored elliptical basin did not appear in PDF. Again, it appears on plan and layout book just fine but not in PDF.

Steve - I do not have MEP Modeler added on to my ArchiCAD software. As for your discovery of two edge visibility in 2D parameters, I swear I saw that occur once but cannot produce that now. Each object right now has that parameter once but I know I saw the duplicate once before.

I've also emailed Graphisoft US about this and I'm hoping they are able to reproduce the issue.

Could there be any other settings that I am forgetting of which could affect this specifically?

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Stephen Dolbee — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:10:31 GMT

I remember that happening to us a few versions ago with the same part. Standard was fine-mirrored would not print. I always thought it was just a "buggy" part. I'm not using V14, but strange if it crept back in.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Steve Jepson — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:37:12 GMT

ksymons19 wrote:
...Could there be any other settings that I am forgetting of which could affect this specifically?

Are you using the Amyuni to make your .pdf's?

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Steve Jepson — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:42:30 GMT

Stephen wrote:
I remember that happening to us a few versions ago with the same part. Standard was fine-mirrored would not print. I always thought it was just a "buggy" part. I'm not using V14, but strange if it crept back in.

If you flip the object it will automatically add the duplicate edge setting.
I think this is so you can flip it and still control the edges for right or left even though the object is flipped.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:51:19 GMT

Steve wrote:
Are you using the Amyuni to make your .pdf's?

Wow...now this may narrow down this so-called bug to the publisher. If I did not make this clear earlier - I apologize - I was using the publisher to publish PDFs. I assume the publisher is using the default PDF converter linked to the software.

Anyway, If I print my layout sheet from the File menu, BOTH Adobe PDF and Amyuni PDF converter achieves in printing the mirrored elliptical basin.

That's why I guess my issue has something to do with the publisher. I am using the default "Layouts to PDF" publisher set.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Steve Jepson — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:31:50 GMT

Steve wrote:
.... I tried to print and publish with different .pdf settings. Ellipse seems to work fine with any scale sensitivity setting. I also tried printing from the floor plan and from the layout.

This is how you can be sure what the Publisher is using to generate the .pdf's

Does it make a difference if the publisher is set up to use the Amyuni or the Acrobat? It did not make any difference for me.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:06:38 GMT

Since I was using the default Layouts to PDF publisher set, the setting is to save the layouts as a PDF file. That's probably where the issue is occurring. Can you confirm?

Printing from publisher using either Adobe PDF or Amyuni worked.

I apologize for my wording - I always seem to think when it comes to PDFs, printing, publishing or saving is almost the same thing.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Steve Jepson — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:20:09 GMT

It failed!

That was a suprize. I changed to the Amyuni and used Save to publish.

The ellipse is missing.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:31:21 GMT

Thanks a bunch Steve. For not only making me feel no longer alone in this (ha) but also for going back and forth with me, helping steer me in the right direction down all the way to publisher set settings and output format!

I've sent a follow up email to Graphisoft US pinpointing the location of this issue/bug and hopefully they will fix it with the next hotfix.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Erika Epstein — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:27:49 GMT

I can't duplicate the problem. Just published this from 14.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:06:35 GMT

Erika wrote:
I can't duplicate the problem. Just published this from 14.

But you're using Mac I assume. Looks like a PDF print driver problem.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Erika Epstein — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:06:38 GMT

Matthew,
I tried on a pc that matches his specs. I can reproduce the problem

only with mirrored instances AND when in TW2.

Is that a print driver problem?

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:25:39 GMT

Erika wrote:
Matthew,
I tried on a pc that matches his specs. I can reproduce the problem

only with mirrored instances AND when in TW2.

Is that a print driver problem?

Who knows? Definitely odd. Remarkable that you managed to narrow it down so precisely.

Sounds like something for GS to sort out. I guess the workaround for now is to un-mirror the offending parts.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Barry Kelly — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:53:16 GMT

This is still a problem in the latest hotfix (publishing a mirrored ellipse with the built in PDF convertor).
I have reported it to GS Australia but if GS HQ see this can it please be fixed in the next hotfix.

It used to be a problem some versions ago (maybe 10?) and got fixed then.
It is not always convenient or easy to un-mirror an object espescially if it is not symmetrical.

Barry.

Re: Ellipse basin does not show up in PDF

Anonymous — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 00:54:43 GMT

I also have this problem.