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Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doors..

rob2218 — Fri, 07 Feb 2025 13:39:57 GMT

Does anyone have a well established lineweight pen set for the stock Archicad 14 objects?

You know what I mean, doors that are thin, windows that are thin, walls that are thicker and thickest....hatch/fill that is thin, furniture and bathroom fitxtures that are light medium in thicness.....

You know, the way architect SHOULD be graphically representing their language??? Graphically correct......

Reason being is that we have conflicting thoughts on how best in the office to assign pens and pen colors to the objects we bring straight out of the Archicad 14 box.....

If anyone can assist me in this issue I'd surely be grateful.

Could anyone post up or upload the penset they are using to plot the walls, doors, windows graphically correct so I may take a look see at them?

thanks,
RR

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Erika Epstein — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:32:43 GMT

Rob,
IF you do a search there have been several good posts over the years that address your questions and include uploaded pens.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:39:25 GMT

If anyone wishes to share their Pen Sets, the Object Depository now has an ArchiCAD Attributes section these can be uploaded to.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

rob2218 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:15:16 GMT

If you know of a good post in particular Erika....could you point me to it?
I did do a search...came up with a lot of "extraneous" information.

I'd appreciate the link which you think contains a good penset for Archicad 14.

thanks,
RR

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

rob2218 — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:15:56 GMT

Can someone point to the thread that contains AC14 pensets uploaded to wherever it is that they have been uploaded to??

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:59:47 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Can someone point to the thread that contains AC14 pensets uploaded to wherever it is that they have been uploaded to??

Rob
The AC depository section for Attributes that Laszlo created is still empty at this time.
It's just below; 17, Sports-Recreation.
The one I created for myself is of such bohemian nature, that don't think anyone would want to mess with it.
I think I violated all the rules, but it works for me in 12, and have not really had time to see if it works well in 14 anyway.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:57:45 GMT

I am interested in developing a penset for myself, I would be happy to work with anyone else in collaboration to create a basic penset template that can be offered as a starting point for others and uploaded to the depository.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

rob2218 — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:56:02 GMT

Again.....all's I'm looking for is a penset that will work with the "stock" AC objects. A penset that has been set by a user or firm which when inserting a GSM objects whether it be door, window, beam, ladder, furniture, whatever....has the correct "graphical" look that is customary to our profession.

You all know the look, furnitures light, electrical symbols light, walls medium and bold, doors and door swings light, windows light thicknesses....and so on...just the basics, nothing fancy, nothing majorly customized but something generic.

A penset that when I plop down an object I don't have to go in there and start to tweak each and every button and sub-button level on that object so that it reads properly.

thanks.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:06:16 GMT

I created an excel spreadsheet with a "starter" pen layout. I'm showing all the pens that AC-10 default pen set relies on,
but of course you'll want to change these to get automatic changes in your look.
Some information from the Archiwiki that fits on a two dimension table is shown.
No new pen sets shown, just a planning guide for anyone creating a new set.
Attached is a png view of it. I think it should print well enough to help you plan out your pens. If you want a totally blank version, I have can easily make one.

Snap
PS I included a small graphic of the AC pen colors in the upper right.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

rob2218 — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:57:37 GMT

thanks Snapcrackle...

Guess I've failed in getting my point across though.

thanks all for the replies.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:01:22 GMT

No, I think get it, you want someones' pen set.

At a wild guess, the most experienced people on these forums are so good they have mostly become consultants in addition to whatever work they have on their own, so I think I can understand why no pen sets get bandied about.

Snap

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

rob2218 — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:50:10 GMT

Well, to answer your question properly, "Yes AND No".....

I would appreciate an experienced users penset for AC14, but most importantly...is there not a penset "WHICH ALREADY COMES IN AC14 OUT OF THE BOX" itself that works basically well with the standard GSM objects...doors, windows, furniture..etc..???

I thought the "Archicad 10 default" pensets worked rather well at one point as starting point but I can't seem to find them anymore in my penset list??

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:50:29 GMT

EDIT:
Just remembered - open the attribute manager, open the "pen set" tab. Open another project (the right hand screen) and import the entire AC10 default pen set from the other project, even an AC 10,11, 12 or 13 project will do.

Snap
I myself have been hoping for a look at the International pen sets, but those are global "open secrets", kept from Americans in continuous and untouchable transit between Buda and Pest.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:31:49 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
but most importantly...is there not a penset "WHICH ALREADY COMES IN AC14 OUT OF THE BOX" itself that works basically well with the standard GSM objects...doors, windows, furniture..etc..???

That is what the default values of pens 1 through 9 and a handful of others are supposed to do. Link has made a list of the random other pens that library parts use (via 'place all parts' from the Special menu and looking for used attributes). It varies by library a bit though (US, vs INT, vs GER etc)

Generally I advise not touching those pens until one sees how they, and the lib parts, interact with your other pens.

But, yeah, the delivered template - including pen sets - is not really something that lets someone get started properly IMHO.

Karl

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:17:38 GMT

snapcrackle wrote:
No, I think get it, you want someones' pen set.

At a wild guess, the most experienced people on these forums are so good they have mostly become consultants in addition to whatever work they have on their own, so I think I can understand why no pen sets get bandied about.

Snap

That was the conclusion I came to.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

Erika Epstein — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:17:14 GMT

snapcrackle wrote:
No, I think get it, you want someones' pen set.

At a wild guess, the most experienced people on these forums are so good they have mostly become consultants in addition to whatever work they have on their own, so I think I can understand why no pen sets get bandied about.

Snap

"I did do a search...came up with a lot of "extraneous" information. "

You remind me of autocad people who don't want to think, just be handed the solution. When I suggested doing a search it is because there is a lot of good discussion about pensets included in them. If that is extraneous, you are in trouble.

Do the rest of the forum the courtesy of including in your profile your version of archicad and ac.

Re: Pen Sets and plotting thicknesses of objects, walls, doo

rob2218 — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:48:25 GMT

thanks for your input all........Erika included.
have a nice weekend of Labor.