topic Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug? in Documentation

Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Takis — Fri, 19 May 2023 13:23:07 GMT

Hi, in Archicad 21 I have noticed that when making a new Graphic Override by duplicating an existing one, then both are connected together and whatever changes are made to either one affects the other for the same rule.

To create a totally new Graphic Override, must be created totally new. This action has no affect on other Graphic Overrides.

Takis.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Eduardo Rolon — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 13:53:31 GMT

Interesting.
Have not seen this while using GO's.
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Windows or MacOS?

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Takis — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:06:56 GMT

Windows 10 x64.

Takis

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Eduardo Rolon — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:21:06 GMT

Ok,
Checked in MacOS and I don't see what you describe so we will need to wait for a Windows user.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Takis — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:39:04 GMT

Ok, thanks.

Takis

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 01:30:11 GMT

If your GO combinations contain the same rule and you edit that rule then both GO combinations will be affected.
In fact all GO combinations that contain that rule will be affected.

You need to create a new rule if you want to achieve different override styles.

Barry.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Takis — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 05:35:30 GMT

Barry hi,
so duplication where can be useful?
Because even if someone duplicates a GO all rules must be new, so what is the meaning of duplicating?

In duplicated GOs even if the name of the rule is changed still affects one another, so they are like twins or something.

The only thing I can find useful in duplicating is only for additional rules in the duplicated GOs or in the original GO.

Takis

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:20:39 GMT

Takis wrote:
The only thing I can find useful in duplicating is only for additional rules in the duplicated GOs or in the original GO.

Exactly.
You have a GO combination that does nearly what you want so you duplicate it, add new rules or delete existing ones.
That is the easy way to set up a similar GO combination without setting it up from scratch.

A rule is a rule and it will do exactly as it is set to do - if you change it then it will change in every combination that uses it.

When you only have one or two rules there is really not much benefit in duplicating a combination.
There is more value when there are a lot of rules involved.

Duplicating a rule is handy especially if you want to tweak just one setting like the fill type or colour.
Saves creating a new rule and then setting every criteria and override option from scratch.

Barry.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:34:54 GMT

Takis wrote:
Because even if someone duplicates a GO all rules must be new, so what is the meaning of duplicating?

No they don't all have to be new rules.
Only if you want that rule to do something different like a different colour or fill type.

For example I have a rule that simply turns all zones transparent as I don't want to see them on my plans.
So I have a GO combination called "Zones - transparent" with just this one rule.
I use this for my floor plans and my electrical plans - same plans just different layers - I don't want to see zone colours in either of them.

Now I wanted to hide certain objects I didn't need to see on the electrical plan but because of the layer they are in they will have to show.
Rather than setting up a new layer, moving objects to that layer and changing my layer combinations, I simply duplicated the GO combination used in my electrical plan view.
I added a new rule that said find certain objects by name and override them with white pens.
I then apply that new GO combination to my electrical plan views.

So my new GO combination has one old rule - the same one used in other combinations as well and also one new rule.

Barry.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Takis — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:58:29 GMT

Very nice, thanks Barry.

Takis.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Takis — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 10:58:08 GMT

Barry hi is it possible to have a rule where fill background pen is transparent but with color?
On plan view I want to have my columns cut background fill with color but I can't see reinforcement objects because are hidden by the fill.

Is there a way to make a rule for structural concrete background fill transparent but with color?

I know that this question doesn't belong here but please if you have an answer I would like to read it.

Many thanks.

Takis.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 01:09:18 GMT

It should be possible if you want just a single solid colour with transparency.

Try creating a rule that sets cut fills to be 25% or 50% and be sure to set the background pen for cut fills to transparent (pen 0).
You can change the criteria to search just for columns if you want or you can be more specific by searching for columns in a certain layer with a certain building material, etc.

But if you want the column to have the structural concrete fill (triangles and dotted hatch) then you need to set that fill (or don't override the fill if it is already correct in your columns.
However you can only have a solid colour or fully transparent fill for the background.
You won't be able to have a semi-transparent coloured background.

As with any fill the background can only be solid coloured or fully transparent.
It is the foreground pen (or hatch pen) that provides an overlaying colour in the hatch pattern that you choose.
The % fills have a semi-transparent foreground hatch that will allow the background colour to show through.
If the background pen is set to transparent then you will see everything else behind that fill as well.
If the background pen is set to a colour then it will block anything behind it but a % of that background colour will show through the % hatch.

Barry.

Re: Graphic Override Combinations - Duplication bug?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 01:17:13 GMT

So basically this is what you can get.

Barry.