topic Re: New Renovation Filter Issue in Documentation

New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Fri, 19 May 2023 13:32:24 GMT

The issue I have is, when I place an Elevation view with a “New Construction” Renovation filter onto a Layout, the view on the layout is missing. Only the Story lines are showing.
The elevation view in the view map displays correctly.
I don’t understand why this is happening, I have tried all other renovation filters and they all show on the layout view as they should.
The Elevation Marker cuts through the existing building, So I need to hide the Existing Building to display the new building elevation. This is why I have used the New Renovation Filter to do this.

If you can help with this that would be great, Thanks.

Ray ...

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:03:00 GMT

See attached image of layout and the South Elevation is not showing up in the viewport on the layout

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Barry Kelly — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 00:48:43 GMT

Is the drawing actually outside of the frame?
Select the frame and in the settings choose "Fit frame to drawing" to see f it is outside somewhere.

Barry.

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 02:21:24 GMT

Hi Barry,
The drawing displays correctly on the elevation view in the view map. (See Attached view)
If I change the renovation filter to all other filters the drawing shows up on the layout as it should.
However with the renovation filter set to "New Construction" for this view, the drawing disappears from the layout. only the Story lines are there.

Regards,
Ray ..

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Barry Kelly — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 03:15:39 GMT

I am not a big user of renovation filters so have not come across this problem.
So if you select the blank drawing (frame) on the layout, right click and choose "Open Source View', do you see the correct elevation?
I am just wondering if the view you have on the layout may not actually be the one you think it is.

Barry.

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 04:33:52 GMT

The source view is the same view above, and it displays the correct view.
The Layout is still blank.

Ray ...

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Barry Kelly — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 05:17:33 GMT

Interesting.
It is the view that controls what you see on the layout.
The drawing frame itself has no settings for renovation or overrides.

The only other thing I can think of trying is to ALT+click (eye dropper) on one of the good elevations to get all the settings for that drawing frame.
And then drag a new view of the south elevation from the view map onto the layout page.
If that doesn't show anything I am at a loss to know what it might be.

Barry.

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 05:28:45 GMT

the other layouts have the renovation Filter set to "Planned Status" and they display as they should.
If I change any of the other views to "New Construction" they also disappear on the layout view.

I have opened up another file and it does the same think on the layout View if the setting is changed to "new Construction"

I had logged a case with Central Innovation (my Software Supplier) on Sunday and I think they are also at a loss with this...

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Barry Kelly — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 05:49:16 GMT

I can confirm this does indeed seem to be a bug in version 21.
If the 'existing' elements are set to hide in the reno filter, then you will see nothing in the layout even if 'to be demolished' and 'new' are set to show.

I tested in 22 and it seems OK there.

The only solution I can think of is if you set up a reno filter that overrides all existing elements to white.
Then override the existing elements rather than hide them.
Only thing is this will mess up any other filters that use override for the existing elements.

Barry.

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:00:51 GMT

Thanks for you help Barry,

I just heard from CI, they are going to send my file off to the software developers to see if they can sort it out.

In the mean time I might try what you suggested, or I might create and other Layer combination and switch the parts of the existing building to a layer/Layers I can hide for that one Elevation view. A bit of a work around but I think that should work okay.

Ray ...

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Raywill — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:40:16 GMT

Hi Barry,

I have had a play around with the renovation filters, first by opening a completely new file in ArchiCAD 21, I then drew a few walls and made some of them new, existing and to be demolished.
I then opened the elevations in the view map, (note the views were already created in the view Map) I placed them all on a layout and tried viewing them by changing the renovation filters. They all worked fine, as they should.
Then I made a changes in the elevation settings, Model Display, Uncut Elements.
Fill uncut surfaces with: “Uniform Pen Color” (From “Own Surface Color (Shaded)”)
After making this change in the Elevation Settings I tried the different renovation filters again and the drawing in the Layout disappears on the Layout View with the “New Construction” Filter on.
When I changed these settings back to how it was previously, it still does not show the drawing in the layout view. It is like you make the changes then there is no going back when the Renovation filter is set to “New Construction”
In the meantime, while I wait for a fix I have made a work around that works for now.
That is by creating a new Layer combinations and new layers for parts of the existing building, by doing this I have managed to have the drawing display (as it should with the Renovation Filter set to “New Construction”) but with the renovation filter set to “Planned Status” and the parts of the existing building on hidden layers for the one view.

Regards,
Ray ...

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Daniel Kovacs — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:18:12 GMT

Hello Ray,

Are you on AC21 build 5021? Have you tried the preview update yet (build 6000)?

I think this might be something that's already fixed in the update.

Regards,

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Barry Kelly — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 00:46:17 GMT

dkovacs wrote:

Are you on AC21 build 5021? Have you tried the preview update yet (build 6000)?

I wouldn't be installing build 6000 - there are problems with it.
We are still waiting for this "preview" version to get fixed - it has been over 3 months already since it was first released!

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=59740

Barry.

Re: New Renovation Filter Issue

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 23:01:02 GMT

Since then AC 21 Update 6013 was released:

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=61680