topic Re: Doors disappearing in Layout in Documentation

Doors disappearing in Layout

Jan Vlach — Tue, 09 May 2023 11:24:57 GMT

Hi all, I have a specific problem, or perhaps even a bug to report.

In my floorplan map I have saved a floorplan view, that contains, among other things three doors. Those three doors are assigned to a wall that has been made with custom profile. This specific profile is representing frame for Copilit/linit/Profilit wall. (the glassed part of the wall is created by placing individual collums that have a custom profile in the shape of copilit assigned to them. For this reason the bulk of the wall is just empty nothing. However the doors are happily hanging in there, no problems... yet.

Once I take this drawing and place it on layout however, all three doors disapper in the layout view. Everything else is OK, but the three doors are gone. Other doors and drawing elemnt show as they should, the problem is not in renovation status as the three doors are assigned same renovation status as avery other door sp naturally I am at withs end. Any feedback or help would be apriciated, thanks.

PS: I tried to change the wall profile so it would be filled with material but it still doesnt work.
The problem is occuring on Archicad 22 CZE, bild 4018, The project is hosted on our BimCloud Basic.

Re: Doors disapperig in Layout

Christophe Fortineau — Wed, 22 May 2019 14:55:10 GMT

Did you try this ?

About the wall :

About the door or window :

About the model view :

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Jan Vlach — Thu, 23 May 2019 13:05:53 GMT

Hi Christophe, thanks for feedback. I do have the doors and the wall set exactly as you do.

And if I open the view in View map or Model Map I see the doors and the wall as they are placed with no problem, as you can see on the first attached image.
However, when I place this saved view in a layout, the doors are no longer there. The wall still is, but the doors are gone, as can be seen on the second image.
I tried to relink the view, update it, delete and place again to no avail so far.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Christophe Fortineau — Thu, 23 May 2019 15:23:37 GMT

Are they absent or white on white ?
Have you check the pen set ? The model view ?
Or do you have a white hatch which is covering your door on your presentation ?
We'll find for sure 😉

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Barry Kelly — Fri, 24 May 2019 00:46:21 GMT

skawagon,
Can you expand the layout page in the list and show us the views that you have placed there?

Barry.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Jan Vlach — Fri, 24 May 2019 08:08:54 GMT

Hi Barry, I am including the expanded list you have asked for. Christophe, there are no fills that could be obscuring the doors. As pen sets go, I have the same pens assigned to all other doors that are left visible. (In attached screenshot I turned on the same pen set as I have in my working space)

Edit: Of course if I export this layout as a PDF or DWG THe doors are still missing.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Barry Kelly — Fri, 24 May 2019 08:25:08 GMT

Thanks,
I just wanted to check that you were indeed using the save view on the layout - which it looks like you are.

The thing is it is possible to have 2 views with exactly the same name but with different settings.
i.e. different renovation filters.

So if you now select that view (either in the layout or the list) and then right click and choose 'Open Source View', do you see the doors?

If you do I have no idea what is happening.
If you don't then I would say that that view is using a renovation filter that is hiding the doors.

Barry.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Jan Vlach — Fri, 24 May 2019 09:28:29 GMT

Hi Barry, it is really the same view, if I open the source view I do see the doors.

However I do have a little breaktrough to report: If I change the wall in which the doors are placed from custom profile to normal wall, then the doors reappear. So the issue is with my custom wall porfile.
However I am still baffeled that the same literal view can, if placed to layout look differently.

PS: The different renovation filters were one of my prime suspect when I noticed this issue, however they are set as existing as in rest of this project.

Anyway, thanks to you and Cristophe for your feedback!

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Christophe Fortineau — Fri, 24 May 2019 09:50:35 GMT

Hi skawagon

I think your might uninstall your software or library or both
And then try but I think it's not your way of work but a software parameter mistake

Try to open your files with another computer or send me your file

Have a nice day

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Daniel Kovacs — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:07:20 GMT

Hello,

Has this ever been resolved? If so, what was the solution in the end?

If not, I can take a look at whether it is caused by a bug, if you send me your project in a PLA, and tell me where to look!

Thanks,

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Jan Vlach — Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:38:13 GMT

Hi Dkovacs, the problem was caused by doors that were placed in the special profile that, for the hight of the doors did not have any fill drawn in (see picture). What still baffles me a little is why the doors have shown in saved view and not in the layout but I came to the conclusion that the views in the layout are rendered using a slightly different technique so I guess it is not 100% WYSIWYG but only about 99%. To get around the problem I placed the doors in a wall that was just the same dimensions as the openings.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Daniel Kovacs — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:26:56 GMT

Hi,

I looked into this with one of our developers of this field. Apparently the code for displaying is slightly different for views and drawings and that is indeed the reason this happens.

The root of the problem is that because of this wall geometry there is no cut part to show of the wall in the current floor plan range (although the cut plane goes through the wall, so it expects a cut representation), but doors are made to be shown only in the cut part (as obviously in the overhead and top view walls, you should not be able to see cut doors).

The main issue here is that there is a difference between what you see on the floor plan and the Layout, so we should decide what it should look like in such situations (should you see a cut door in an overhead wall? How a wall like this should be represented? etc.), and then make them work consistently. We started this process and after finding the proper design, we will try to fix it (task #266558).

Thanks for the report and finding the reason of the issue. These reports really help a lot in cleaning out the errors of ARCHICAD.

Regards,

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Jan Vlach — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 16:13:59 GMT

Hi DKovacs, I have not visited the forum for some time, so I missed the post I can provide the file with the custom profile if that would be of any help, If so, please PM me.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Archlantis — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 22:49:13 GMT

I think this issue is unresolved, I am having the same problem. The doors show up in the schedule when I format/edit it but they disappear in elevation view when I place the saved view to the sheet. The plan view of the doors are there.

Re: Doors disappearing in Layout

Archlantis — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 23:06:05 GMT

I've discovered that the first column goes hidden. My workaround was to add a "custom text" field as the first column then leave it blank.