topic Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout? in Documentation

Possible to change the origin of a layout?

JGoode — Fri, 26 May 2023 00:24:15 GMT

Hello,
I have locked elements on my layouts that I don't want to move if I change from say A3 to A1. Is it possible to change the origin of a layout so that when I switch from one size to another, my object doesn't move. e.g move origin from bottom left to bottom right

Thanks

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Laszlo Nagy — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 07:54:07 GMT

I an not aware of any way think could be done. The Origin is always at the lower left corner of the Layout and its size changes so its lower left corner always stays at the origin.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Erwin Edel — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 06:44:10 GMT

If you are changing layout size, you would be changing masters, so put the object on the master layouts?

Only works unless it is specific to the layout.

However we do have a few common used master layout pages (with site plan, without site plan, etc). Just set them up once in the template and you're good to go.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:17:00 GMT

The master layout settings also contains the anchor point position for that master.
The origin will still show in the lower left corner and the page will increase from there as well, but everything in the master and placed on the layouts using that master will anchor to the point you choose in the master settings.

So if you choose the top/right corner as the anchor and you change the page size, everything will be positioned in the top/right corner of the new page - although the page origin is still the lower/left corner.
i.e. everything will be anchored to the anchor point set in the master settings.

Barry.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 08:57:18 GMT

Barry, thanks for the info, I was not aware you could do that in Master Layout Settings.
I learned something today.

On the other hand, it seems to be based on a different logic than the Floor Plan Viewpoint. In the Floor Plan Viewpoint, the Project Origin is always at the same location, no way to change it.
On a Master Layout, however, its seems that first, the Master Layout's extents are generated based on its Anchor Point location and defined Master Layout size, then the Origin is placed in its lower left corner. I think the Anchor Point should define the Master Layout's Origin relative to its extents, so if you select, for example, the upper right corner of the Master Layout to be its Anchor Point, then the Origin should be there and the Master Layout's geometry should extend to the left and downward from there.
With the current solution the Master's Origin position and its Anchor Point setting are totally unrelated (regardless where the Anchor Point is set to be, the Origin is always in the lower left corner), which seems illogical to me.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:01:01 GMT

I wonder if it has something to do with printing.
The bottom/left corner of the page has to remain consistent otherwise the printing will be all over the place?

Barry.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Erwin Edel — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:03:08 GMT

Title block is generally bottom right, maybe that is the preferred corner?

Personally I try to make a layout from bottom left and if things don't fit, I go for the next sheet size master, so for me bottom left works fine.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

JGoode — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:34:22 GMT

Thanks for the replies. Doesn't seem possible to achieve what I'm after.
The reason why I can't add the object to the masters is because it needs to be 'clickable'.
The issue comes when switching from an A1 master to an A3 master for example... The object moves as the master is changed from the bottom left no matter what.

Unfortunately I haven't found any way to solve this

Thanks again

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 00:50:39 GMT

It might be easier if you can show an image of what you have.

If I set up an A1 master with the origin in the bottom right corner and then change page size to A2, everything stays locked to the bottom right corner.
It doesn't all fit on the page of course because it is now smaller.

Barry.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

JGoode — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:33:05 GMT

Barry wrote:
It might be easier if you can show an image of what you have.

If I set up an A1 master with the origin in the bottom right corner and then change page size to A2, everything stays locked to the bottom right corner.
It doesn't all fit on the page of course because it is now smaller.

Barry.

I'm not sure I explained clearly. In my layouts (not masters), I use the master layouts as templates. I place my object on the layout (not the master layout) in the title box. If for whatever reason someone decides they need to change that layout from our A2 master to a A3 master, the object stays where it is which ends up being the wrong place. So I either need to have an object on the master which can be clicked (not possible as far as I know) or set the origin of my layout when switching the master layout to be the bottom right corner.

I hope this makes a little more sense!

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Erwin Edel — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:03:49 GMT

We control everything in the title block with autotext, either through the Project Info or the Layout Info Scheme.

Not a solution directly for your object, but it means we can switch masters without having to worry about things that are supposed to be placed in the title block.

We still might have some legend / schedule that needs moving, but they are sort of hard to miss (large enough to notice).

Our title blocks are worksheets saved in the project and linked as drawings to our masters. The possible changes are autotexts in those titleb blocks linked from the Layout Info Scheme. In some cases this is not ideal (sheet size is one of the fields and you need to remember to change that one), but we can't win 'em all.

Things we have arranged per layout info:
- project status
- date written out full
- date written out with numbers
- change dates (A to G)
- sheet size

Project Info specific are:
- client info
- company info (that's us)
- site info
- person in charge of the project

Perks: very quick to change things. You either change it once in Project Info and it changes on all layouts or you select your layouts and change the info. You can sort layout book by subset, master and current issue and this helps with easy selection.

Cons: some changes can't be automated, like the sheet size.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

JGoode — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:53:58 GMT

It's not the title block itself, but an 'invisible' fill object that is placed on all layouts (apart from masters). The reason for it being over the title block is so that our users know how to access it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible. The object is locked so the users cannot move it after it has been placed in the template.

Re: Possible to change the origin of a layout?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 00:57:01 GMT

JGoode wrote:
I'm not sure I explained clearly. In my layouts (not masters), I use the master layouts as templates. I place my object on the layout (not the master layout) in the title box.

Anything you place on the layout you will have to manually move when you change the master size/orientation.
The origin of a layout is always the lower left corner, so the page position will always remain constant at this point (I assume for printing purposes).
As can be see anything on the master can be anchored so it remains relative to that anchor point on the page when master is resized.
But this does not apply for anything you place in the actual layout page.

Barry.