topic Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam in Documentation

Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 30 May 2023 07:54:15 GMT

Looking for some help to figure out why a whole plane of standing seam roof surface is missing in section view - while other planes are showing up fine in the same section. The missing plane is visible in all other views (3D, elevation, etc.) but only just missing in section. Really perplexed as to why this is happening. All the standing seam roof surfaces are on the same layer and all other settings the same (renovation settings also checked).

Does anyone know why this could be happening? First screen-shot is the section. Second is the same angle but elevation. Third is the 3d view.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

RandyC — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:57:54 GMT

I have had the same problem, windows , no reason for this behavior that i have found
Erasing troublesome cladding and redoing sometimes fixes it.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 00:43:59 GMT

Do you have a Section with a limited horizontal depth? I can see from the 3D that the Standing Seams are not aligned on the two Roof surfaces on the two sides of the ridge. So, it seems possible that you positioned the Section Line and its horizontal depth limit that only one of the Standing seams is visible in it.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Rene Pahlavan — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 21:31:59 GMT

Thanks for the replies gentlemen.
I tried all the horizontal depth settings (infinite, limited, zero), and the problem does not go away. The roof finish is visible in another section. So I deleted the problematic one and re-inserted a new section - same problem. Have also tried deleting and re-installing the accessory (as suggested by suggested by Randy C), but also to no avail.
You are right Laszlo, the standing seams are not aligned on both sides of the ridge - that is yet another problem with this add on accessory. I can only move the object, and not manipulate it (by offsetting and edge for example) - so while I can move the standing seams to line up, by not being able to adjust the size of the object, the leading edges will not line up with the gable ends.
I really love the look of the standing seam roof accessory, but these gremlins bug the hell out of me.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Lingwisyer — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 01:21:26 GMT

The seam position is dependant on the direction and origin or your roof reference line, while the boundaries are defined by the referenced single-plane roof. If they become disassociated, then you are stuck...

Ling.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

henryL — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 08:55:39 GMT

I found the same problem, does your section intersect the object partially or entirely ?

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Minh Nguyen — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 14:39:30 GMT

Dear all,

After many attempts, I managed to replicate the issue on my end. The issue arises with the following process:
- Draw a Multi-plane roof
- Make 2 opposite sides into Gable type
- Split the roof into 2 Single-plane roofs
- Apply the Roof Surfacer object

As Ling suggested, the seam position depends on the Roof's origin and direction of the pivot line, therefore in this case, the seam does not align perfectly. For some reason, in section/elevation, this can make one side of the roof surface disappear.

To get around this issue, I suggest creating the roof using single-plane option. Make sure to input the same direction when drawing the pivot line of the roof.

I believe the "missing surface" in section comes from the addon itself, unfortunately, Goodies are based on legacy code which GRAPHISOFT does not support anymore.

Thank you very much for your understanding, and I am very sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 20:03:00 GMT

henryL wrote:
I found the same problem, does your section intersect the object partially or entirely ?

It intersects entirely.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 20:06:57 GMT

Thanks Minh...

A real shame that GS does not support this add-on.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Anonymous — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 12:31:50 GMT

I have the same problem sometimes. The way I fix it, is by putting the created roof surface in a seperate layer. When one side disappears in my section I simply hide and unhide the layer, and it fixes the problem.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

GBurwell — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:13:36 GMT

I have tried Nguyen Minh's recommendation of recreating the roof as a single plane and reapplying the surface but in section, the surface is still missing.

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

KingaW — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 15:14:39 GMT

Hello,

Does anybody have a workaround for the roof surfacer tool?

I even tried to drag a copy (so it is not associated with the roof), but still it randomly will not show on elevations/sections.

Now even on the floor plan it is missing sometimes...

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

Brandon-W_DWa — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:40:24 GMT

I ran into the same issue; found a solution (at least for now, and maybe just a fluke?) - conditions below:

I had successful Roof Surfacer elements modeled and showing up correctly for about a day.
All roof planes were already modeled as single plane, so no issues came from a multi-plane roof.
Below just one of my roof planes with Roof Surfacer element, I made edits to the intersection priority of building materials within the wall composite. Therefore, the intersections of materials within said roof and wall changed. This was when only one of my Roof Surfacer elements started acting up in my wall sections (the one above my changed wall composite).
It was still there in 3D; still on the same layer; and still had the same renovation filter.
Tried a few things:
1. Delete Roof Surfacer element, remodel: still broken.
2. Delete Roof Surfacer element, move roof composite up 5'-0" and back down, remodel Roof Surfacer element: still broken.
3. Adjust the renovation filter of the Roof Surfacer element from new, to existing, and back again: still broken.
4. Only when I changed the home story of the Roof Surfacer element, then back again, did it show up correctly in my section. I didn't "Relink Home Story", so that may work, but my Roof Surfacer element literally shifted vertically 12'-0", and started to show up in section again. This must be where the Roof Surfacer element has a broken link to the roof composite, which in my case, altered when I adjusted my building materials.

Hopefully that helps someone!

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

KingaW — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:00:26 GMT

Hello bWhite,

I tried to change the roof composite and the home story of the surfacer element, but unfortunately it did not help me, random pieces are still missing.

It's very said, I have been using it for long years and I will just have to say goodbye.

Thank you for sharing though!

Kinga

Re: Roof Surface only partly showing in Section - Roof Accessory Standing Seam

stoneunturned — Mon, 28 Aug 2023 03:18:28 GMT

Unbelievably frustrating to spend 6 hours playing with a newly discovered feature of archicad, which i had assumed upon discovering was going to be a surrogate and elegant solution for complex profiles for rooves that would allow me to draw an associative profiled roof that would look perfect in section and even contribute to a production detail, only to discover the aforementioned issues and the developer's shrug and official statement of "oh sorry, we dont support that buggy crap anymore"

Why the hell is it still bundled it into the goodies 2 years on???

It's junk. It doesn't work. Get rid.

It serves only to waste precious time on tight programmes.

The kicker is that you only get to this post to find out that it definitively will not work for production output. And that can be anywhere between half an hour to 8 hours+, which no architect has time for.

Minh, dont give thanks for my understanding, because i certainly don't!

I should send GS a bill for my time.

Guess ill redraw my Profiled Sheet 26s and continually trim them to the roof structure as the project evolves.........

Damn