topic Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION? in Documentation

DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Fri, 26 May 2023 00:26:35 GMT

in the model view, the detail marker head is horizontal, yet when I place the viewmap on the layout, I needed to orient the view in a 90 degree rotation.

therefore, the detail marker head is now no longer horizontal....how do I get the marker head to display properly so that it reads horizontal on the layouts. I know it will be rotated on the "model" environment and that's ok.....I just need the detail marker to rotate 90 counterclockwise so that it reads correctly on the "layout" (sheets).

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:14:12 GMT

Why don't you rotate the view before placing it in the layout, instead of rotating the view in the layout?

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:19:14 GMT

OK, I guess I should have mentioned that "that view" is coming from the model itself. it's not a clipped detail 2D linework view...it's merely an enlarged view of the entry with a different layer combo, different penset, etc...but I can't very well rotate the entire model now can I?

I just need that detail marker head to be able to be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise is all.

vgodzb wrote:
Why don't you rotate the view before placing it in the layout, instead of rotating the view in the layout?

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:04:34 GMT

First check the settings in the detail.
Go to Marker Geometry > Marker Head Rotation > Always Horizontal

Then make another view and rotate it 90 degrees, save that view as such then place it on the layout.

rob2218 wrote:
OK, I guess I should have mentioned that "that view" is coming from the model itself. it's not a clipped detail 2D linework view...it's merely an enlarged view of the entry with a different layer combo, different penset, etc...but I can't very well rotate the entire model now can I?

I just need that detail marker head to be able to be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise is all.
vgodzb wrote:
Why don't you rotate the view before placing it in the layout, instead of rotating the view in the layout?

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:08:33 GMT

See attached

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:31:21 GMT

Not sure I follow.
the "view" is basically an enlarged view of the model's own orientation. how do I "rotate" the view if the view is coming straight from the model source. it's not a 2D cropped or detail cropped linework....it "IS" the model itself.

vgodzb wrote:
First check the settings in the detail.
Go to Marker Geometry > Marker Head Rotation > Always Horizontal

Then make another view and rotate it 90 degrees, save that view as such then place it on the layout.

rob2218 wrote:
OK, I guess I should have mentioned that "that view" is coming from the model itself. it's not a clipped detail 2D linework view...it's merely an enlarged view of the entry with a different layer combo, different penset, etc...but I can't very well rotate the entire model now can I?

I just need that detail marker head to be able to be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise is all.
vgodzb wrote:
Why don't you rotate the view before placing it in the layout, instead of rotating the view in the layout?

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:41:38 GMT

if I select "Always Horizontal" i think that sets it to "always horizontal AS IT IS IN THE MODEL ENVIRONMENT".....but that doesn't help me.

The model is rotate and STAYS how it is oriented the way it is......it's the 'marker head' I need to rotate as per my diagram on the OP.

vgodzb wrote:
First check the settings in the detail.
Go to Marker Geometry > Marker Head Rotation > Always Horizontal

Then make another view and rotate it 90 degrees, save that view as such then place it on the layout.

rob2218 wrote:
OK, I guess I should have mentioned that "that view" is coming from the model itself. it's not a clipped detail 2D linework view...it's merely an enlarged view of the entry with a different layer combo, different penset, etc...but I can't very well rotate the entire model now can I?

I just need that detail marker head to be able to be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise is all.
vgodzb wrote:
Why don't you rotate the view before placing it in the layout, instead of rotating the view in the layout?

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 01:53:53 GMT

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:23:18 GMT

Rotate with the Rotate Orientation button at the bottom of your main view window, then (re)save the view or "Get current window's settings".

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:44:34 GMT

Stuart,
I did just that.
Rotated my orientation in the model envirnment.
Then I saved my view.
Then I placed that new view on a layout and the market detail tag still will not rotate properly even after I've set the parameter in the actual marker head.

The detail marker still is rotated 90 degrees from how I need it to be.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:27:33 GMT

When you make your rotated view make sure the 'ignore zoom and rotation when opening this view' check box is uncheck.

Also click on get current window settings at the top when you have it rotated.

rob2218 wrote:
Stuart,
I did just that.
Rotated my orientation in the model envirnment.
Then I saved my view.
Then I placed that new view on a layout and the market detail tag still will not rotate properly even after I've set the parameter in the actual marker head.

The detail marker still is rotated 90 degrees from how I need it to be.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:43:24 GMT

Ok, I'll give it a try this morning.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:53:35 GMT

Also make sure the other regular non rotated view has that check box unchecked as well in the view settings otherwise the view won't rotate back.

rob2218 wrote:
Ok, I'll give it a try this morning.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:40:10 GMT

rotating the viewmap "before" I inserted it into the layout changes/alters "some" of the tags (door and zone name tags) but didn't do poo to the detail marker tag...no matter what parameters I have set the detail marker tag to?

dunno.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:20:37 GMT

Ok maybe there is another setting to adjust in the detail settings.

I have attached the settings here. Make sure marker text rotation is set to horizontal and marker head rotation to always horizontal.

rob2218 wrote:
rotating the viewmap "before" I inserted it into the layout changes/alters "some" of the tags (door and zone name tags) but didn't do poo to the detail marker tag...no matter what parameters I have set the detail marker tag to?

dunno.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:37:03 GMT

very strange...I don't seem to have that "marker geometry" in the settings? I'm using an AC18 detail marker so I'm not sure what's up.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:55:02 GMT

Sorry forgot to tell you to use the built-in detail marker or Detail Marker Simple.

rob2218 wrote:
very strange...I don't seem to have that "marker geometry" in the settings? I'm using an AC18 detail marker so I'm not sure what's up.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

rob2218 — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:16:47 GMT

really? the detail marker too was created like the "stair maker" was programmed?
where they put two groups in a room, didn't let them talk to each other and said......."create the stairs"....

why wouldn't ALL the markers have the same functionality?

vgodzb wrote:
Sorry forgot to tell you to use the built-in detail marker or Detail Marker Simple.

rob2218 wrote:
very strange...I don't seem to have that "marker geometry" in the settings? I'm using an AC18 detail marker so I'm not sure what's up.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Anonymous — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:35:40 GMT

I have no clue why they don't all behave the same. Did that other detail marker work for you?

rob2218 wrote:
really? the detail marker too was created like the "stair maker" was programmed?
where they put two groups in a room, didn't let them talk to each other and said......."create the stairs"....

why wouldn't ALL the markers have the same functionality?
vgodzb wrote:
Sorry forgot to tell you to use the built-in detail marker or Detail Marker Simple.

rob2218 wrote:
very strange...I don't seem to have that "marker geometry" in the settings? I'm using an AC18 detail marker so I'm not sure what's up.

Re: DETAIL MARKER HEAD ROTATION?

Da3dalus — Tue, 29 Mar 2016 01:02:13 GMT

I'm also having a nightmare time working with these markers in a Rotated view. The Detail marker has always been sketchy (I think I've had the complaint since version 7). In a Rotated View, the sub-elements (marker polygon, line, and head) jump around erratically when Moved or Stretched, and getting the polygon to match the clipping plane is down right impossible.

What's worse it that, while it's easier to edit it effectively when the View Rotation is 0 degrees, switching back to the Rotated View shifts the marker to a completely different location.

From what I know about GDL, I think the various components are defined by X,Y coordinates that are sometimes relative and sometimes absolute. The code really needs to be cleaned up so the marker has completely self-contained (relative) geometry, except for the rotation of the text. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I have the expertise, and I know I don't have the time!

As said in this earlier post, it's just CRAZY!

So... circles, lines, and text it is! So much or BIM!