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Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

rm — Thu, 06 Feb 2025 10:13:29 GMT

Hi -

Something tells me I just am missing some sort of preference setting. Please look at my attached image. None of my composite wall outside corners are closing completely when displaying true line weights. If I turn off true line weights, they look correct and close up properly

What am I missing here or doing wrong? BTW, if I don't use composite walls, using single fill walls, the corners also cleanup and close properly with true line weights selected.

[attachment=0]Screen Shot 2018-10-04 at 7.54.05 PM.jpg[/attachment]

Thanks for your input!

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

rm — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 03:31:13 GMT

Check the same file in AC 21, no problems. Corners cleaned up. Uninstalled AC 22. Reinstalled AC 22, problem resolved. Installed AC 22 update 4005 - problem comes back / will report to GS as a bug.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Daniel Kovacs — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:02:52 GMT

Hi,

Actually, this is not a bug, but a result of a development/enhancement. In the Composite Settings panel you have the option to define a skin-end pen. Previously the corner connections in the floor plan were not taking this into account, but now in AC22 they are considered (as you can see on the green selection highlight, the connections are properly made in the floor plan as well, instead of joining the 2 walls diagonally).

I attached pictures of how this works in AC21 compared to AC22. If you set up the skin-end line to be the same as the skin separator, this shouldn't be an issue.

Kind Regards,

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Sun, 21 Oct 2018 06:08:01 GMT

Hello DKovacs

Yes you might have fixed a problem that didn't exist, and created another that the user now cannot fix. I attach my original composite setting that causes the gap in AC22. I then attach the revised composite setting that fixes this but creates a thick end line in the composite wall leaf, as per other attachment. I don't want this wall end line as a default if this is needed to finish the corner without a gap. The reason is that my graphic presentation uses thicker outside lines to denote an element that has been cut, and adding an end line of the same thickness confuses the clarity of the graphic. We were, up to AC21, always able to add a thick wall end if we wanted - without destroying the clean, gapless corners. This is not a good change - please reconsider in a service update.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Sun, 21 Oct 2018 06:19:30 GMT

Hello DKovacs

Herewith some extra attachments that explain settings and results of your work-around. These should have been attached to my previous posting - but I don't know if they have.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Sun, 21 Oct 2018 06:22:10 GMT

Herewith some extra attachments that explain settings and results of without your work-around (as for AC21). These should have been attached to my previous posting - but I don't know if they have.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Sun, 21 Oct 2018 06:25:43 GMT

I apologize for these duplicate postings. I tried to add all 4 attachments to the original reply but the Archicad-talk list appears to accept only 3 attachments and when I opened my message after submitting it I could only see 1 or 2 images.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Daniel Kovacs — Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:33:25 GMT

Hello KeesW,

You are making a good point, I think you are right. I reported this to the designers, and asked them to handle it as a bug (fix #250563). Right now it works as designed, but that might not be the way it should work...

Regards,

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:19:20 GMT

Hello dkovacs

Just checked this issue in the very latest AC22 version. Disappointed to find that Graphisoft has not fixed it. Please do so!! - or advise a work-around that is not too tedious.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Richard Morrison — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:05:16 GMT

You might look at adding a 0" thickness material. See here: https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66043

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Tue, 05 Feb 2019 02:18:20 GMT

Thanks Richard
Wouldn't it be better if Graphisoft fixed it? Couldn't they just reverse the change they made to AC21 to cause this problem?

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Richard Morrison — Tue, 05 Feb 2019 03:13:11 GMT

I'd be thrilled if they went back to the AC21 way of doing things. I don't know why this change was made, and I can't think of any situations where this is even helpful.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Erwin Edel — Wed, 06 Feb 2019 10:05:45 GMT

I suspect it has to do with quantity take off somehow. I haven't bumped into this yet, since luckily we hardly ever have different pens for the 'front' and 'side'.

There are some more quirks though, for example: if you have a concrete structural wall setup with a high priority building material so that it cuts the lower priority non structural wall AND (logically) give that concrete wall a nice thick line, that nice thick line gets replaced by whatever line the non structural wall has when the concrete wall intersects it.

It's just the final touches to making your drawing look nice and at the end of the day I'll just live with it and not bother to mask it up with 2D patching, but the logic there is just flawed. If anything, the high priority wall should override any lower priority pens.

This corner solution makes no sense either.

All very annoying and reminds me of when suddenly all my terrain outlines disappeared from elevations because Boundary Display was finally working the way it was supposed to.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Daniel Kovacs — Fri, 08 Feb 2019 08:44:11 GMT

Hello everyone,

I just want to give you an update on the situation, and also ask for your input.

So the thing is that we don't want to remove this development, because it holds a lot of benefits, both visible and invisible (so it makes ARCHICAD more efficient and consistent in the background). From the visible side the 2D representation finally caught up with how the 3D worked for years now, so the floor plan representation is nicer.

We originally designed this change to not make a visible difference, but on the presumption that the wall-end line is used by most offices as cut-lines (just like the separators), so they have the same pens as the sides.

So, here's where I would like to ask for your input. chris021 has already pointed out a use of composites that can't really be solved any other way. So my question to you, is how do you use it?
What workflow requires you to have a different end-line?
Do you not handle end-lines as cut-lines? Or is it a local standard?

We would like to go forward designing a solution that will not break any of the currently designed workflows, but will give a solution that supports these workflows as well.

Thanks in Advance,

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Richard Morrison — Fri, 08 Feb 2019 16:18:28 GMT

Personally, I never use it, and would prefer to just have the "Wall End Lines" selection override the composite layers' individual ends. (When "Wall End Lines" don't override, it is very confusing, and so what was the purpose?) I suggest adding a single addition to the the "Wall End Lines" of "Use Composite Layers" so that people have a choice. When any of the first four Wall End selections are selected, it would be as if there are no individual composite end lines. (i.e. AC21 version)

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Fri, 29 May 2020 02:55:30 GMT

It is now AC23 and this problem has still not been fixed. Yes I could use Richard's work around but why should users invent work arounds for things that used to work and now don't for no good reasons? I first raised this in 2018 and one of Graphisoft boffins agreed that it was a bug which would be attended to.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:34:09 GMT

Now AC24 - still not fixed!
Why should we need a work-around for a mistake that was created about 3 versions ago.
Graphisoft - please take some staff off exciting new things to fix bugs in current and recent versions!

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

KeesW — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 23:32:37 GMT

I've just reread dkovacs' response dated 8 Feb 2019 and make the following comments:
- The benefits of this change must be the invisible ones because no user has, so far, responded positively.
- The floor plan representation is NOT nicer. I don't like gaps in my lines at corners and no one I know would do so.

It is an architectural drafting convention to use a hierarchy of line weights to convey depth and relative importance of items within elements cut in section.Therefore wall outlines in plan are shown more boldly than other plan components. That is why we need to be able to create this without unsightly gaps.

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

rm — Thu, 27 Aug 2020 23:38:52 GMT

KeesW wrote:
I've just reread dkovacs' response dated 8 Feb 2019 and make the following comments:
- The benefits of this change must be the invisible ones because no user has, so far, responded positively.
- The floor plan representation is NOT nicer. I don't like gaps in my lines at corners and no one I know would do so.

It is an architectural drafting convention to use a hierarchy of line weights to convey depth and relative importance of items within elements cut in section.Therefore wall outlines in plan are shown more boldly than other plan components. That is why we need to be able to create this without unsightly gaps.

Agree, 100%

Re: Composite walls outside corners not displaying properly

Minh Nguyen — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:27:00 GMT

Hi all,

Thank you for raising this issue once again and I am very sorry for the inconvenience!

As you may already know, this adjustment was made to have element junctions in 2D and 3D to be the same so schedules will be more accurate for quantity take-offs, unfortunately wall end lines resulted from this adjustment turned out to be difficult fix. Addressing it is a project-sized thing as many things need to be considered when we tackle this issue.

I have raised this issue once again (it got a new ID now, DEF-1763) with your comments, hopefully, we'll be able to correct it in the near future!

Thank you very much for your understanding!

Best regards,
Minh