topic Re: Demolition in phases in Documentation

Demolition in phases

cmorel — Fri, 19 May 2023 13:20:31 GMT

1 - I have a building on which the demolition is done in phases.
2 - I need to work in a single file because CA on phase I is happening while design of phase II and schematics of phase III take place and modification in phase I will impact the other phases.
3 - I can't show all the demo on a single plan using graphic override because of item 2.
4- for each phases, I need to issue demo and proposed drawings.

How do you handle such a situation?
Pinning new elements to phases is easy, but we can't pin demo-ed elements, so ...?

Re: Demolition in phases

Eric Milberger — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:52:42 GMT

Why cant you use different reference files all in one master file

Re: Demolition in phases

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 00:27:36 GMT

Maybe you should not use the Renovation Status of elements to drive what is overwritten and what is not.
You could create a Property for your elements, with the name "Phase" or something similar.
You would create an Option Set for the Property that would contain all Phases, including "Demolition Phase 1", "Demolition Phase 2", etc.
Then, you would create Graphic Override Rules that would override elements according to your requirements.
For example, for "Demolition Phase 2", elements with "Existing" and "Demolition Phase 1" Property values would not be overridden, while elements with the "Demolition Phase 2" Property value would be overridden with the Demolition override.

If you think about it, Renovation Filter Override Rules are also Graphic Override Rules, only with their Criteria hard-wired to be dependent upon the "Renovation Status" parameter. So with this solution, you would circumvent this built-in solution and define your own Phases and override rules.
I hope this explanation makes sense.

Re: Demolition in phases

cmorel — Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:17:17 GMT

it does make sense. will give it a try. thanks

Re: Demolition in phases

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:28:26 GMT

There is one thing to add to this method:
The one disadvantage of Graphic Overrides to Renovation Filters is that Graphic Overrides cannot make an element hidden. So if you also need elements to be hidden, you may have to use Layers as well to achieve that.

Re: Demolition in phases

Eric Milberger — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:52:42 GMT

Just talked to my guy at one of the largest construction companies in the world and he said that is their job.
But I do see where this could be a link through a product like ProCore or something more robust where...when hte contractor sets the phasing of construction our model brings in their input.

They do this already - but in a one direction way - they take a all the models and bring them in creating a video and process showing the phased construction. This from other cad and into TwinMotion.

This could be something better than a translator but the use of Architcad by the Contractor to bring in all the data the Architect does not already have in the model. Then they inputs phasing of a construction from start to finish - IN the archicad model - updating thing that we have placed in our very narrow New-Existing-Demo

Construction Phasing should be unlimited in division but in a linear fashion as time for construction is linear not 3d

Re: Demolition in phases

cmorel — Thu, 10 Jun 2021 00:14:42 GMT

LaszloNagy wrote:
There is one thing to add to this method:
The one disadvantage of Graphic Overrides to Renovation Filters is that Graphic Overrides cannot make an element hidden. So if you also need elements to be hidden, you may have to use Layers as well to achieve that.

I guess the other disadvantage is when exporting to IFC for Revit user consultants.
I would need to map this property to the IFC phasing category.

Re: Demolition in phases

cmorel — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 20:25:11 GMT

LaszloNagy wrote:
There is one thing to add to this method:
The one disadvantage of Graphic Overrides to Renovation Filters is that Graphic Overrides cannot make an element hidden. So if you also need elements to be hidden, you may have to use Layers as well to achieve that.

is AC25 solving this?
This isn't really working! I have been struggling with this problem for a while.
Windows and doors can't be assigned to layers.
and I have to deal with my consultants' files every time they have an update.
Please tell me that Graphisoft is working to introduce a hierarchy of Phase AND renovation.

Re: Demolition in phases

Podolsky — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 21:04:59 GMT

Nothing been done about it. Unfortunately. But it so simple - just add additional feature in Graphic Override 'hide element'. Just silly. I wrote about it also and made a wish - why such important wishes are ignored, especially when developers are touching areas that were discussed by users?
Also they could introduce time line to control on which stage construction happens in specific date and hour. This time line can be combined with sun study.

I imagine developers must work this way: okey, we are developing version 25. This is our confidential development roadmap. We plan to introduce features of texture fills in Elevations. And do some changes in Graphic Overrides. But what our users asked on forum? Bring here ALL wishes related to Elevations and Graphical Overrides, we will read all of them, review, will ignore silly ones but will pay extra attention to clever ones and will deliver to users what they asked for.

Is it happens this way?

Well, I can admit, wishes are implemented sometimes. Once I left my review of curtain wall and asked for custom classes for CW members, not fixed as it was initially. And I have found in new version exactly feature I asked. That was cool. But that was more like miracle for me.

Re: Demolition in phases

Richard Morrison — Sat, 10 Jul 2021 04:08:40 GMT

I wonder if the Construction Simulation goodie might be helpful? I haven't used it, so don't know, but may be worth checking out.

Re: Demolition in phases

Podolsky — Sat, 10 Jul 2021 07:23:23 GMT

No, Construction Simulation is not working properly. First construction simulation is not working with any known version of MS Project or any another similar software, because it supports ancient file format (don't forget CS from ArchiCAD 7.0 - 25-7=18 years ago)
Then CS was designed in pre-renovation filter and pre- building material era. So these functions are not supported.
And CS will not serve exactly what needed - static views (drawings, 3d) with different demolition and new built stages.

Re: Demolition in phases

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jul 2021 12:59:11 GMT

It is completely vexing that that this software does not have built-in tools to support some of the most basic purposes of design and construction documentation: to convey changes to a building through time (phasing), and to develop, catalogue, and document design options.

All but the most simple projects require these features. I am so tired of every "wish" for these features to be added is met with a response from GS and others like "you can't do that, but here's a workaround". And the workaround is an overcomplicated, highly technical, and project-bloating maneuver that only works with several caveats. If I wanted to spend my time programming software, I would be a computer engineer, not an architect.