topic Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections in Documentation

How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Tue, 30 May 2023 10:25:57 GMT

Hello everyone!

Is there a way to avoid cutting elements (like toilets, sofas, tables, etc) in section. Meaning is there a way to tell archicad show this elements complete instead of cutting them?

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Steve Jepson — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:37:51 GMT

arqrivas wrote:
Hello everyone!

Is there a way to avoid cutting elements (like toilets, sofas, tables, etc) in section. Meaning is there a way to tell archicad show this elements complete instead of cutting them?

I don't think so, if your talking about a Cutting Plane. But you can draw your section around things if that helps. ?

http://screencast.com/t/eYv1smkBRh

Also, you may be able to use Solid Element Operations that go around some things. ? You might be able to use the dbl line Marquee Tool ?

What does the view you want to make look like? Do you want to have a horizontal cut plane but with some objects showing above the cut plane with out being cut?

You can have the 3D window display Elements cut to the Cut Plane of a Story. It does not cut the Objects.

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Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Steve Jepson — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:35:23 GMT

This might be the setting your looking for if it is a 3D view you want Elements cut to a plane for, but some Objects not cut. ?

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 00:57:18 GMT

the patch tool...
not exactly what you described, but it achieves the desired result.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:08:34 GMT

Hi Steve, Thanks for your tips. Is not really what I mean, I'll explain myself better now (sorry I didn't before).

When I'm doing regular construction Section with the section tool, the objects (done with the object tool) they are also cut giving undesired results . In this image you can see how a toilet is cut with the section and I would like either to show it complete or not show it at all, at some point I could use the trick of going around of the object but that won't work every time because will affect my others floor also, and could affect others things.
But you have show me something amazing! I didn't knew about this:

"You can have the 3D window display Elements cut to the Cut Plane of a Story. It does not cut the Objects."

This is amazing hahaha. This give me a lot of ideas and also tells me that this is not to far away of been implemented in the section tool (if is not implemented already and I don't know it)

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:13:33 GMT

Here is another example of the issue. In this image you can see the beds that are cut, I don't want to see the beds like this, it doesn't even look like beds, I'm using the same bed that is shown marked in red with the check mark in every case here, but this other beds are located to the other wall that is why they are cut and the other don't.
Also see the vanity in the master bathroom, even if the section is been real by cutting the vanity I would like to show it uncut.

So, is there any option or trick or tip to go around this?

Thanks!

BTW how does the patch tool works? let me read about it...

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Erwin Edel — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:49:20 GMT

Turn off 3d in object settings (or the layer in sections) and place 2d stuff in the sections.

There is no way to fine tune a section line for every single piece of furniture to show it whole, you're just seeing the 3d projection of the furniture. If your section line cuts through it, you see the section cut.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:32:48 GMT

Maybe this should be made as a wish. I've ran into this and making objects not cut in section and having the option to either show or not would be very helpful.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Steve Jepson — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:51:02 GMT

In the case of the Section (which I missed in the original post - sorry about that) The cut through the objects is a good thing, and an important thing to maintain. Cuts through case work for example to show the number of shelves...that sort of thing. Also, it is very important that the Truth of the Section be maintained. It is not a good idea in my opinion to show things like furniture in a Section anyway. The Section is about the building, not the furnishings. Fixtures yes, furniture no. What you want to show is a lie, and telling lies in one place compromises credibility in every other place. I want my working drawings to be 100% reliable Truth about the building. The thing about Truth is that you must always tell the Truth - but you don't always have to be telling it.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Steve Jepson — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:52:43 GMT

mbeam wrote:
Maybe this should be made as a wish. I've ran into this and making objects not cut in section and having the option to either show or not would be very helpful.

Yes. That would be easier than doing it with layers.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:02:17 GMT

Yes It will be easier, I'll do a wish on it but I'm going to prepare it, because I think we need a new dialog that let us overwrite the floor plan and section options of an element per view.
For Example, if we want to show a wall with dash line in one plan and solid line in another. Like partitions in public bathrooms for the reflected ceiling plan I like to show then in dash lines and in the layout plan with solid lines.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Steve Jepson — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:36:52 GMT

arqrivas wrote:
Yes It will be easier, I'll do a wish on it but I'm going to prepare it, because I think we need a new dialog that let us overwrite the floor plan and section options of an element per view.
For Example, if we want to show a wall with dash line in one plan and solid line in another. Like partitions in public bathrooms for the reflected ceiling plan I like to show then in dash lines and in the layout plan with solid lines.

I am with you on that. Sections and Floor Plans should not alway have to be controlled by the same settings. This forces too many work-arounds to get the display we actually want.

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

David Maudlin — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:48:29 GMT

arqrivas wrote:
BTW how does the patch tool works? let me read about it...

In the Help files see: Elements of the Virtual Building > Parametric Objects > Create Patch Object.

arqrivas wrote:
For Example, if we want to show a wall with dash line in one plan and solid line in another. Like partitions in public bathrooms for the reflected ceiling plan I like to show then in dash lines and in the layout plan with solid lines.

This can be done using the Floor Plan Cut Plane (FPCP): set the Wall's Floor Plan Display to Projected with Overhead, the Uncut Lines to Dashed. If the FPCP cuts the wall it will be solid, if the FPCP is above the wall it will be dashed. This will need to be coordinated with any other elements controlled by the FPCP.

David

Re: How to avoid cutting Objects in Sections

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:07:22 GMT

Thanks David I'll work with that. I Appreciate it.