topic Re: HIde elements in Documentation

HIde elements

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 13:06:07 GMT

Does ArchiCAD offer an option to hide elements on layouts? For instance the view I have shows cutting through a tree (trees look terrible, and invasion of triangles!).

Re: HIde elements

schagemann — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:29:33 GMT

To state the obvious what you can see is due to the section plane cutting through an element, in this case the terrain and some parts of the tree.

There is no way to hide this by a simple button click, however you. an do the following:

A. move the tree
B. use a silhouette tree - the tree you are using is not only high in polygon count, it is also hideous;
C. use a white cover fill without outline to mask the parts you do not want to see

Re: HIde elements

Barry Kelly — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:45:51 GMT

D. Turn the layer off - but of course anything else in that layer will be turned off.
E. Move the section line or add nodes to the section line so it passes around the tree.

Barry.

Re: HIde elements

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:08:52 GMT

Wow, seems ArchiCAD is not so tremendous. Both these options seem like a 'work around'.

I must admit i'm now seriously concerned about a few graphical elements of this package. Ive spent hours trying to make decent drawings, but these 2d tools and layout production are not intuitive like the modelling seems to be. Perhaps im missing something.

If there is no ability to hide a cut object from a view, how does this work when you are in a complex major project like a hospital, and you need to create individual room elevations but you don't have time to place section lines that avoid cutting objects within the room, or creating multiple layers to hide cut objects on?

How do you create decent planning drawings if trees are appearing like this. Are there other tree library parts, or do you rely on photoshop?

Re: HIde elements

Barry Kelly — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:13:02 GMT

Mac_the_arc wrote:
Wow, seems ArchiCAD is not so tremendous. Both these options seem like a 'work around'.

I am guessing you have your Revit hat on.
Archicad does not work like Revit, so don't expect it to do the same things.

Mac_the_arc wrote:
If there is no ability to hide a cut object from a view, how does this work when you are in a complex major project like a hospital, and you need to create individual room elevations but you don't have time to place section lines that avoid cutting objects within the room, or creating multiple layers to hide cut objects on?

How do you create decent planning drawings if trees are appearing like this. Are there other tree library parts, or do you rely on photoshop?

Me personally, yes, I would cut the sections around objects I don't want to cut or place objects in layers that can be turned off.

To hide elements you could give the a different renovation status to everything else, and then use a renovation filer that hides that status.
That is assuming that you don't want to use the renovation filters for there intended purpose.

Barry.

Re: HIde elements

James B — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 03:43:12 GMT

The Elevation Tool does have the ability to hide cut elements.
The Section Tool doesn't, I'm guessing because it hides all walls and slabs etc that are also cut - which doesn't seem useful especially for a Section so keep that in mind when using the checkbox in the Elevation Tool. It'll hide ALL elements that are cut.

Re: HIde elements

Brad Elliott — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:42:17 GMT

I like James suggestion but it looks like you are cutting a mesh for grade which could be an issue. If that is a 2d fill then no problem. I also like Barry's option E. This works for me 99% of the time in a simple and clean fashion. Get to know the elevation tool, the cut line and bug do not have to be together and neither do the extents, taken together this gets you a lot of flexibility.

Re: HIde elements

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:42:31 GMT

Lets hope Graphisoft can come up with an ability to fix this, unless im missing something this is a major setback for the workflow within ARCHICAD. As designers and producers of production information we should not be having to think so far in advance in terms of planning where section lines are placed.

Re: HIde elements

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:49:47 GMT

Barry wrote:

Mac_the_arc wrote:
Wow, seems ArchiCAD is not so tremendous. Both these options seem like a 'work around'.
I am guessing you have your Revit hat on.
Archicad does not work like Revit, so don't expect it to do the same things.

Mac_the_arc wrote:
If there is no ability to hide a cut object from a view, how does this work when you are in a complex major project like a hospital, and you need to create individual room elevations but you don't have time to place section lines that avoid cutting objects within the room, or creating multiple layers to hide cut objects on?

How do you create decent planning drawings if trees are appearing like this. Are there other tree library parts, or do you rely on photoshop?

Me personally, yes, I would cut the sections around objects I don't want to cut or place objects in layers that can be turned off.

To hide elements you could give the a different renovation status to everything else, and then use a renovation filer that hides that status.
That is assuming that you don't want to use the renovation filters for there intended purpose.

Barry.

Thanks Barry, the renovation filters was the first good surprise in ArchiCAD and works very smoothly, unlike Revit which is very clunky. That said I cannot yet get my head around the fact that text within a view will appear on all views, I don't see the sense in that. Certain drawings need specific text, and creating multiple layers just to control text seems counter productive so at the moment im placing this on the layouts and leaving the model to update as and when needed. Im sure with time I will learn more workflow options with ArchiCAD.

Re: HIde elements

Barry Kelly — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:15:03 GMT

Mac_the_arc wrote:
Lets hope Graphisoft can come up with an ability to fix this, unless im missing something this is a major setback for the workflow within ARCHICAD. As designers and producers of production information we should not be having to think so far in advance in terms of planning where section lines are placed.

I disagree.
We should be placing sections exactly where we want to to be.
If you want the option to not see what is cut, use the elevation tool as suggested by James.

I can't imagine the complexity to control each element to say it shows in sections 1, 2, 5 & 6, but not in sections 2 & 3.
Sure you can simply select an element in a section and say 'Hide', but then how do you select it to 'Un-hide' - as you can't see it.
So you would have to go back to plan and search along the section line to find what is being cut and reset it there?
Or each section would have to have a list in its settings listing all of the elements that are being cut.

All well and good for something as insignificant as a tree, but what if a wall or slab is hidden and gets missed of the final drawings?

It is a nice idea, but I think it would just over complicate things.
Just place the section where required and/or use layer to turn elements on/off.
But that is just my opinion.

Actually you could also set up a Graphic Override to change the element to white.
It won't print but it may still cover what is behind it which isn't a good look.
Maybe we need a true 'Hide' option in graphic overrides rather than just an override.

This has all been discussed before of course, and here is one of a few wishes that apply to this topic.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=62181

Barry.

Re: HIde elements

Barry Kelly — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:17:21 GMT

Mac_the_arc wrote:
That said I cannot yet get my head around the fact that text within a view will appear on all views, I don't see the sense in that.

Text can have a renovation status as well.
So it will hide along with the elements.

Barry.

Re: HIde elements

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:42:09 GMT

thanks Barry, (and without sounding patronising), form this response I think you don't have the experience of large complex jobs, and so far I am struggling to see how ArchiCAD would cope with these large projects with demanding clients and constant room review. This is perhaps why the main Public sector (NHS, Schools) are using Revit.

In Revit you either hide or graphically over-ride elements that are cut or in the way, and do this on an elevation by elevation method in the view you are looking at. It does not hide anything in any of the model. This is especially critical in creating room layouts where you don't want to see fitments (loose or otherwise) in section or part section. You can easily unhide these later I needed. Many of these rooms during the stakeholder process undergo development with components either being added, moved or deleted. The method you are describing seems overly complicated and would certainly be hugely time consuming, and after the third or fourth iteration of room review would become a commercial disaster for any practice.

If you have the ability to report to ArchiCAD for suggested development, then this is one I would strongly suggest is a must.

Re: HIde elements

jl_lt — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:30:47 GMT

Mr. Mac the arc, what you mention is one of the reasons i never took off using revit. I just couldnt believe that you needed to do that (manually hiding stuff) which in my view can cause infinite visualition errors and inconsistencies. If Revit users can correct this opinion, please, do so.

What you need can be handled with layers for diferent types of texts, proper use of layers for objects and layer combinations that show what you need for a given situation or plan type. Yes, its a bit of a chore to set it all up (like, a BIG shore), but once its done, it works like magic.

Also, i find it poor taste and disrespectful to point out what kind of projects you think another person handles or not, specially when they are trying to help.

Re: HIde elements

JSN — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:23:37 GMT

Mac_the_arc wrote:
The method you are describing seems overly complicated and would certainly be hugely time consuming, and after the third or fourth iteration of room review would become a commercial disaster for any practice.

Interesting, just had the same thought while reading your lines describing this "customized overrides per layout" approach. The big benefit of applying such settings on a "global" scale is that it's way easier to keep perspective and control - the bigger the project the more important this becomes!

Apart from that I can only agree with my previous poster - manually hiding stuff, especially in large scale projects, can lead to dangerous inconsistencies - however I strongly suggest you to objectively review the concepts and logics of layer combinations, model view options, graphic overrides and rennovation filters as all you want to achieve is there.

Moreover I think it is indeed very important that you are very precise when it comes to documentation, meaning that you either see your tree as a whole or not at all and if there is something wrong with your either your planning or your modelling. If you need to "cover something up" you just did a shoddy work. This might be necessary in competitions to solve something quick and dirty, but should never be the case in later phases as this is not only giving you headaches but also very dangerous! Needless to say that this should be considered no matter what software you use in the end ...

Re: HIde elements

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 15:31:44 GMT

Barry wrote:
Actually you could also set up a Graphic Override to change the element to white.
It won't print but it may still cover what is behind it which isn't a good look.

I found this (among the various that people here have presented) is the best solution for this small issue. To prevent the white surfaces covering things on background, just add a surface override with an invisible material.

Besides this. I think that a BIM application that is capable to handle the entire process of building the second tallest building on earth, is perfect capable to handle public sector projects like a simple school or hospital.
Just my 2 cents.