topic Re: Window label for firesafety in Documentation

Window label for firesafety

agroni — Fri, 07 Feb 2025 10:19:44 GMT

In the Austrian version of AC21, there is a label called "Brandschutzetikett Tür 21". It gathers all the information regarding fire safety, defined in the properties (Property Manager) of a door (see green box). In the end we get a label on the floor plan with the following information EI2 30-C, which is according to the norm EN 13501-2.
These fire safety Properties, in the default Archicad template, are also available for windows. Sadly, there is no possibility to use this label, since it is dedicated only for doors (see red box). So how should I label my windows since there is no unified method to do it? And there is no label.
There is an urgent need to extend the capabilities of this label to include also windows! In Archicad should be made possible to use the same inputs to get the demanded output.

Re: Window label for firesafety

Ernest Atanasiu — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 20:17:53 GMT

We are using an Autotext label that extracts a custom property from the Property Manager instead of the built-in Marker. Pro: You can put this label on a different layer and no longer use the MVO to control its visibility.
Haven't checked but I guess most of the Labels can read from the Property Manager.

Re: Window label for firesafety

agroni — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 21:07:53 GMT

uisanata wrote:
We are using an Autotext label that extracts a custom property from the Property Manager instead of the built-in Marker.

I am not using the built-in marker of the window.
The fire safety parameters in the window settings comes from the Properties in AC21.

Do you write the whole parameter (EI2 30-C) in the property.... or piece by piece (like in my window)?

Re: Window label for firesafety

Ernest Atanasiu — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 21:26:38 GMT

I have only one property for walls, doors, windows and other building elements that require fire safety, data type is an Option Set with all possible values.
So, to answer your question, I write the whole parameter as I want it to appear on the plans.
I can use this list to define also the graphic overrides for the fire safety plans.

Re: Window label for firesafety

agroni — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:35:47 GMT

uisanata wrote:
I have only one property for walls, doors, windows and other building elements that require fire safety, data type is an Option Set with all possible values.

The OptionSet sounds like a solution. The only disadvantage that I see here is the number of elements to choose in the Option set. For a door you would have way too much because it must be a combination for E or EI, the insulation index 1 or 2, times 30-60-90-120, selfclosing Yes/No and Smokestop Yes/No. Or you define just some basic values, and then it is the duty of a project leader to extend the OptionSets.

I have also tried to define the fire safety with the PropertySet, but separate each value for the user to have a clear overview which parameters to select. It works fine, except values that should or should not appear ex. selfclosing (C) . In this case I need to add an empty Space as an OptionSet. What does not work with this method is the Scheduling. These separate parameters cannot be grouped into one value in order to get a EI2-30C in the table. There should be something similar to gs_list_FR_expression from the Door Value.

Re: Window label for firesafety

Erwin Edel — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:28:58 GMT

Strange that it is limited to doors, the label in NL version is available for pretty much all 3D tools (walls, roofs, slabs, windows, doors, etc etc) and as far as I can tell when I open the label object, it is a label from graphisoft, so just translated to Dutch.

Re: Window label for firesafety

Ernest Atanasiu — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:54:00 GMT

I would separate the selfclosing and smokestop in another property with an yes/no value. For me the S in EI-30S means smokestop, I guess is the same for you.
You get 3 values in the schedules: the rating, selfclosing and smokestop.