topic Re: Labels in 19 in Documentation

Labels in 19

Anonymous — Fri, 19 May 2023 13:55:23 GMT

So is there a way to get the 'New and Improved' crazy making label tool to behave like the old label tool. I'm just trying to write out plain old text notes in a 2d 'unlinked from the model' section window.

The dragging, copying, and orienting of the new label tool 19 is driving me nuts.

I just want to point and something and write out text.. but they're always backwards, or require 8 different clicks and key strokes to get lined up right.

Hating that the text positions just like the previous one without 'asking' where I want to put it, requiring mirroring, dragging, arrow repositioning, etc. to get it back to a rational place.

I assume I'm missing something, otherwise this tool is buggy or poorly designed.

Re: Labels in 19

Steve Jepson — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 05:34:27 GMT

Works for me
http://screencast.com/t/WnPRILnF8

Re: Labels in 19

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:35:42 GMT

The Label Tool has two Geometry Methods: Associative and Independent. You should use the latter.
Also, you can turn off the Pointer of the Label before placement. Then it works kind of like the Text Tool.

One major difference with the Label Tool is that now you set the default settings in the Label Settings Dialog and then it works for all placed Labels. So it is not that you define default labels for every element type.

Re: Labels in 19

vfrontiers — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:42:29 GMT

So here's a new PET PEEVE with 19...

In the past I use essentially the ID Indicator (my own version)... to TAG all the lights in a plan with their ID (fixture reference)...

Previously I was able to SELECT ALL LIGHTS and APPLY AN ASSOC. LABEL with the checkbox (part of the object info palette)...

Now, afaik, this DOES NOT EXIST.. and I have to place each light then also place each label...

Same idea for tagging DOORS and WINDOWs in ELEV and SECTION...

Somebody BROKE this feature (by design, I presume) and just caused me hours for what used to be nearly instantaneous... Not to mention that by the SELECT ALL METHOD I was SURE to get ALL the lights... Now, I'm very prone to MISS some during the process.

If anyone knows that I can achieve this in 19, please give me a shout (ok, just respond here)...

Thanks for listening!

Re: Labels in 19

vfrontiers — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:47:33 GMT

Also, because the label was essentially an attribute of the object, when dragging a copy of the object in plan (or syringing obj. properties and placing) the label used to go along with it.. .Now it doesn't.

Re: Labels in 19

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:25:16 GMT

Answer to the first one

Re: Labels in 19

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:28:06 GMT

Sadly for the second one you will need to select the label and the wall before dragging a copy.

Re: Labels in 19

vfrontiers — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:03:09 GMT

Eduardo,

Well there you go! Looks like I'm back in business... Thanks for the tip.

Re: Labels in 19

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:13:00 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Also, you can turn off the Pointer of the Label before placement. Then it works kind of like the Text Tool.

Is this new to 19?

Re: Labels in 19

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:36:05 GMT

Rogerdodge wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
Also, you can turn off the Pointer of the Label before placement. Then it works kind of like the Text Tool.
Is this new to 19?

Well, Labels had Pointers (or Leader, as they called in other software) even in AC18. In AC19 there are new options to specify the Pointer Starting Angle and also lock it, and also there is a new option for the Pointer shape. Plus the Pointer ON/OFF button is new. In AC18 you had the "Use Symbol Arrow" checkbox in the Symbol Label panel of the Label Settings Dialog using which you could turn OFF the Pointer. However, it was available only when using a Symbol Label (GDL Object-based Label). The option to turn off the Pointer was not available when using simple text Labels.
In AC19 it is now possible to turn the Pointer ON/OFF with any kind of Label.

Re: Labels in 19

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:44:51 GMT

vfrontiers wrote:
Eduardo,

Well there you go! Looks like I'm back in business... Thanks for the tip.

No problem in this case GS was aware of the previous workflow and was able to do the full transition to the new system. What is weird is why they hid the command so deep, time to add it to my toolbars and add a shortcut to it.

Re: Labels in 19

James Murray — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:35:11 GMT

MaxamAC wrote:
Hating that the text positions just like the previous one without 'asking' where I want to put it, requiring mirroring, dragging, arrow repositioning, etc. to get it back to a rational place.

For this you need to look at the second button in the Geometry Method info box tile. 'Simple' gives one-click placement of the pointer, with the default shape. (This shape is picked up by the eyedropper.) 'Detailed' gives three clicks to define the shape. To place simple labels with custom pointers, you want Independent, Detailed, and the Text label type.

Personally, I can't see using Simple very often.

Re: Labels in 19

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:37:46 GMT

James wrote:
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For this you need to look at the second button in the Geometry Method info box tile. 'Simple' gives one-click placement of the pointer, with the default shape. (This shape is picked up by the eyedropper.) 'Detailed' gives three clicks to define the shape. To place simple labels with custom pointers, you want Independent, Detailed, and the Text label type.

Personally, I can't see using Simple very often.

That is the extra information that I needed. Thanks

Re: Labels in 19

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:55:40 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Rogerdodge wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
Also, you can turn off the Pointer of the Label before placement. Then it works kind of like the Text Tool.
Is this new to 19?
Well, Labels had Pointers (or Leader, as they called in other software) even in AC18. In AC19 there are new options to specify the Pointer Starting Angle and also lock it, and also there is a new option for the Pointer shape. Plus the Pointer ON/OFF button is new. In AC18 you had the "Use Symbol Arrow" checkbox in the Symbol Label panel of the Label Settings Dialog using which you could turn OFF the Pointer. However, it was available only when using a Symbol Label (GDL Object-based Label). The option to turn off the Pointer was not available when using simple text Labels.
In AC19 it is now possible to turn the Pointer ON/OFF with any kind of Label.

I had given up trying to use the label tool because I didn't want the arrow or leader line, so this is a welcome new feature in 19!

Re: Labels in 19

Tom Krowka — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:02:09 GMT

Use detailed label instead of simple and it will work like the old label used to (referring to the text label)

Re: Labels in 19

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:48:30 GMT

I'm still on the fence about the new labeling system. Its better but I'm not sure it does everything it used to.

In Archicad 18 the labels would show up on all the storeys an element showed up on when linked to it (like a column). This is VERY USEFUL for me. This feature seems to have disappeared? Anyone know a workaround?

Re: Labels in 19

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:00:50 GMT

You are right, this is not possible automatically in ARCHICAD 19.
I think this has to do with the fact that this is a different technological solution than the previous solution.
Prior to AC19 having a Label was a setting of the individual elements. For example, in the Column Settings Dialog you checked the Label Element checkbox and its label appeared on all stories the Column appeared. That was not a flexible solution either, because what if you wanted your multi-story Column to appear on 3 stories, but wanted its Label to appear only on 1 story? It was not possible to do.

In ARCHICAD 19 the Label is an independent element which you can either associate with a construction element or not. You have to place Labels individually in each different Viewpoint, but this gives you the flexibility to have them only in the Viewpoints you want.

I think your best option in the future is to do your Labeling in one step for many elements at a time. For example, set the default Label settings in its Dialog or pick up the parameters of a placed Label, then select all Columns you wish to Label and use the Document\Document Extras\Label Selected Elements to label them all in one step in that Viewpoint or Story.

Re: Labels in 19

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Jul 2015 06:42:37 GMT

I've read this whole post and have tried all the suggestions. I am still experiencing a very large box around my independent text and so the leader line is quite far away from the actual text. I am unable to drag the edges of the box in any closer...it just makes my text into 2 lines, with the same wide standoff. I'm using independent, detailed. Labels look OK at a very large scale (1/4" = 1') but look very confusing (text here, arrow over there) at a small scale ( 1" = 40') Any suggestions? Thank you!

Re: Labels in 19

David Maudlin — Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:30:18 GMT

22Haiku:

In the Label's Settings dialog box > Text Style panel > Frame, make this a smaller value.

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David

Re: Labels in 19

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2015 17:36:39 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
The Label Tool has two Geometry Methods: Associative and Independent. You should use the latter.

I don't see a place to set this.