topic Re: layout master disappearing in Documentation

layout master disappearing

James Murray — Fri, 26 May 2023 00:35:28 GMT

Do you mean, the master layout items disappear from the layout? (I.e., while you are viewing a conventional layout) If so, I have seen this issue. I found that selecting a different master and switching it back would restore order. I haven't seen dropped master items in output.

HTH,

Re: layout master disappearing

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:38:45 GMT

Also (if viewing a layout), make sure all the appropriate layers are on. Sometimes when switching back & forth from view sets to layouts, PM layers that have the title block info for instance, may get turned off.

Re: layout master disappearing

Link — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:27:47 GMT

Also (if viewing a layout), make sure all the appropriate layers are on. Sometimes when switching back & forth from view sets to layouts, PM layers that have the title block info for instance, may get turned off.

Yes, it sounds like it could be a layering problem. In AC10 it's best to consider two separate environments: Modeling and Layouting. Each environment has it's own specific settings. Below is a list I've come up with (so it is by no means official or necessarily complete) on what settings are specific to each environment. To help eliminate any doubt it is followed by a list of what is not specific to each environment. That is to say that each item should be checked separately, sometimes not only for each environment, but for each window within each environment:

Settings Specific to Each Environment:

Absolute/Relative Co-ordinates
Display Order
Floor Plan Scale/Set Drawing Scale
Grid Display & all associated options
Grid Snap & all associated options
Home Zoom
Layer Combinations
Pen Sets
User Origin
Zoom

Settings Not Specific to Each Environment:

3D Window settings of any kind
Auto Intersection
Creative Imaging settings of any kind
Cut/copy/paste
Element Snap
Floor Plan Cut Plane
Full Screen (although this can only be changed while in Modeling Environment)
Full Screen & Hide all Palettes (although this can only be changed while in Modeling Environment)
Ghost Story Display
Guide Lines & all associated options
Grouping
Index Settings
Info
Locking
Magic Wand Settings
Mark-up Entries (although they are specific to each environment).
On-screen View Options
Page Setup
Plot Setup
Project Preferences
Publishing Settings
Schedule Settings
Special Snap Options
Story Settings
Tool Defaults or current/active tool
Work Environment (although it is recommended by GS to have separate WE's for each environment).

I haven't personally experienced this particular bug. Some related problems I have found are:

If we select multiple layouts in the Navigator or Organizer and edit their settings, but only changing their master layouts, the layout names all become the SAME (and we can't undo);

If we have sketch renders on sheets that have no content, they change size and become very large. Until a Fit in Window is done, this can look like the entire page is white.

BTW, you can drag and drop Masters onto layouts now.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: layout master disappearing

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:36:10 GMT

If we select multiple layouts in the Navigator or Organizer and edit their settings, but only changing their master layouts, the layout names all become the SAME (and we can't undo);

That's a doozy. I was just showing someone how to import masters from another file, selected the layouts and assigned the new master, and now all layouts are called "Joinery Fittings". Oops.

Re: layout master disappearing

Link — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:10:54 GMT

That's a doozy. I was just showing someone how to import masters from another file, selected the layouts and assigned the new master, and now all layouts are called "Joinery Fittings". Oops.

Hopefully not after my post (with the 'can't undo' part)!

The safer way is to drag and drop the masters, or change it to View By Masters (but then you'll promptly run into the problem that the layouts are listed alphabetically, not numerically ).

Cheers,
Link.

Re: layout master disappearing

__archiben — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:31:25 GMT

s2art wrote:
I was just showing someone how to import masters from another file...

don't copy and paste info from masters . . .

~/archiben

Re: layout master disappearing

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:19:45 GMT

Unfortunately, Link, it was only half an hour or so BEFORE reading your post. Otherwise I might have got it right. I found it worked ok if I just highlighted all Layouts required, and changed the Master directly in the Navigator master button, rather than going to Settings.

And, ~Ben, I was merging from an empty ex-LBK template which I have created specially for updating masters, all layers stripped out, converted to AC10 PLN. I had tried Copy-paste from PM9 masters but was getting weird results with text size (as mentioned in another thread somewhere, not important here). Works ok from 10-10, but not 9-10.

Now I'm getting other weird happenings in a converted drawing, but that's going to be the topic of a whole new thread.....

etc

Re: layout master disappearing

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:57:48 GMT

i've had this problem, check the on-screen display options in layout book + make sure the master layout display in the VIEW settings is selected. Might have accidentally turned it off?

Hope that helps.

Re: layout master disappearing

matthewjj — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:03:14 GMT

the layout space responds to whatever the current layer combo is set to.
if all of your master template items are on the same layer (which i highly suggest) and the current layer combo doesn't have that layer turned on, you won't see your master template info. if you use multiple layers then you would have a situation where there is potential that only some things would be disappearing, blinking occasionally like christmas light in slow motion.

it is precisely because of this that our office uses the archicad layer for all of our master template info. the only thing that could possibly hide the master template info for us is the on screen display option or a bogus pen set.

i agree with archiben DON'T COPY & PASTE FROM THE MASTER! that is just stupid and you may as well use autocad if that's your solution.

Re: layout master disappearing

Link — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:14:56 GMT

matthewjj wrote:
it is precisely because of this that our office uses the archicad layer for all of our master template info. the only thing that could possibly hide the master template info for us is the on screen display option or a bogus pen set.

While that's a good rule of thumb, it's by no means the ultimate answer IMHO. People tend to forget to use layer combos within the layouting environment too. Combos that can switch out titleblock information, stamps, notes, even entire titleblocks.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: layout master disappearing

__archiben — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:23:22 GMT

Link wrote:
People tend to forget to use layer combos within the layouting environment too. Combos that can switch out titleblock information, stamps, notes, even entire titleblocks.

link, i think that whilst this may have been true of plotmaker, the combined model/layout layer set in AC10 is no longer conducive to working efficiently with layer combinations in the layout book.

i would recommend sticking to the 'everything on the archicad layer' rule-of-thumb for layouting until graphisoft give layers a much needed overhaul - to make working with two distinct environments more intuitive.

ben

Re: layout master disappearing

Link — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:34:36 GMT

I've set up about a dozen AC10 templates with layout layer combinations, and they work just like PM9.

I thought working in two different environments was quite intuitive, especially once you know the differences.

Maybe I just got lucky?

Cheers,
Link.