topic Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when in Documentation

New and Existing - how to show "end" line when end to end

rob2218 — Fri, 07 Feb 2025 11:04:03 GMT

see attached.
we need to indicate that "end" line condition to distinguish when "new" meets "existing".
I cannot change the justification of the wall planes either...they MUST have the same reference line (the framing skin).

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

Barry Kelly — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 01:16:48 GMT

The only way I know of is to place the walls in different layers that have different intersection priority numbers so they don't join with each other.

So duplicate your wall layer and make sure it has a different IP number to the original.
Make sure this new wall layer gets turned on in all the layer combinations that the original layer is turned on for.

Barry.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 01:20:24 GMT

Yeah....that's a hangup.
if you miss ONE and only ONE layer combo, low and behold THAT will the be the layer combo the bossman says...."you messed up".

Geez....if there was only a way to just tell the ends of the new walls to distinquish themselves from the ends of the "existing" walls or vice versa.

Barry wrote:
The only way I know of is to place the walls in different layers that have different intersection priority numbers so they don't join with each other.

So duplicate your wall layer and make sure it has a different IP number to the original.
Make sure this new wall layer gets turned on in all the layer combinations that the original layer is turned on for.

Barry.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

David Maudlin — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:40:19 GMT

Bobby Hollywood:

Have you tried Wall Settings > Floor Plan and Section > Outlines > Wall End Lines (Both, Start, End, None)? Works here in AC19.

David

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

Barry Kelly — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:03:42 GMT

David wrote:
Have you tried Wall Settings > Floor Plan and Section > Outlines > Wall End Lines (Both, Start, End, None)? Works here in AC19.

But is that because you have the 'Clean wall & beam intersections' option turned off?
The reference lines and end lines will show as in your image when this option is turned off.

I have both wall ends on and I don't see them on joining walls in 19 either unless I turn that option off or use 2 layers with different intersection priority numbers.

Barry.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:15:24 GMT

Yes, I too have the "both" wall ends on...and I get nothing as well.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:16:40 GMT

where is this "clean wall and beam intersection" setting?
Also...will it not then cleanup the walls it's suppose to clean up?

Barry wrote:
David wrote:
Have you tried Wall Settings > Floor Plan and Section > Outlines > Wall End Lines (Both, Start, End, None)? Works here in AC19.
But is that because you have the 'Clean wall & beam intersections' option turned off?
The reference lines and end lines will show as in your image when this option is turned off.

I have both wall ends on and I don't see them on joining walls in 19 either unless I turn that option off or use 2 layers with different intersection priority numbers.

Barry.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

Barry Kelly — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:23:29 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
where is this "clean wall and beam intersection" setting?
Also...will it not then cleanup the walls it's suppose to clean up?

VIEW menu > On Screen Options.

It will stop all wall and beam connections so you corner junctions will not trim.

Barry.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:25:21 GMT

Geez....well that's not good.
I just need the "ends" to not clean up when a "NEW" wall meets and "EXISTING" wall.....you'd think it be some setting pretty obvious but I can't seem to locate where that is.

Barry wrote:
rob2218 wrote:
where is this "clean wall and beam intersection" setting?
Also...will it not then cleanup the walls it's suppose to clean up?
VIEW menu > On Screen Options.

It will stop all wall and beam connections so you corner junctions will not trim.

Barry.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

Stephen Dolbee — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:14:10 GMT

I just draw a line

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

luciant — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:01:57 GMT

What I do is pull one of the walls away from the other in a parallel direction by a microscopic (.0001') amount. Inelegant but it works and keeps the reference lines the same

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:19:50 GMT

DOHHhhh...geez, that's not good.
suppose you have 150 new-to-existing wall ends....and they get moved around or they get stretched or whatever....you'd have to keep track of of those darn 2d lines....no way.

Stephen wrote:
I just draw a line

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

David Maudlin — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:26:04 GMT

Barry wrote:
David wrote:
Have you tried Wall Settings > Floor Plan and Section > Outlines > Wall End Lines (Both, Start, End, None)? Works here in AC19.
But is that because you have the 'Clean wall & beam intersections' option turned off?
The reference lines and end lines will show as in your image when this option is turned off.

I have both wall ends on and I don't see them on joining walls in 19 either unless I turn that option off or use 2 layers with different intersection priority numbers.

The Clean Wall & Beam Intersections option is checked, the Walls & Beams Reference Lines is a separate setting I had on to show that the reference lines are connected. I don't know why I am getting the line between the walls while others do not, they are on the same layer and I set them to the same Renovation status (which they should not be).

David

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:14:24 GMT

Switch the Reference Line of one of the adjoining Walls to its other side (or to some other position) so the Reference Lines of two adjoining Walls are not continuous.
Edit\Reference Line and Plane\Modify Wall Reference Line menu command, then Edit Reference Line Location option.
You can probably select multiple Walls and change it for all of them on one step.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:54:02 GMT

yeah....see Lasz, that's not an option. Switching the reference line. Because, let's say you are continuing a hallway reference plane from "existing" to "new". You need to have that reference line be the same line (plane if you will) as the new and existing. You shouldn't need to swithc the ref line to make the ends have those lines in them because an "edge of construction" (ref line) will need to be established. What if the wall composite changes and you have to make certain wall types expand in or out a certain direction? Then if your ref line is not in the proper location, the wall will grow in the wrong direction so the "ref line flip" to the other side just doesn't cut it.
Has to be another "graphical" way to get that line in there besides have to 2D it.....................

laszlonagy wrote:
Switch the Reference Line of one of the adjoining Walls to its other side (or to some other position) so the Reference Lines of two adjoining Walls are not continuous.
Edit\Reference Line and Plane\Modify Wall Reference Line menu command, then Edit Reference Line Location option.
You can probably select multiple Walls and change it for all of them on one step.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:57:45 GMT

yes....I can see this causing the effect I need but....if you are snapping (check marking) to an end point and you are methodical and maticulous about your drafting precision....you're hosed then. Cause if happend to pick the wrong endpoint by that fraction/hair of a distance, then all dimensions and associated/connected geometry will be off by that much and it compounds as you move down the wall.
good thought, just can't do this.

luciant wrote:
What I do is pull one of the walls away from the other in a parallel direction by a microscopic (.0001') amount. Inelegant but it works and keeps the reference lines the same

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:08:31 GMT

SEE ATTACHED.

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:26:52 GMT

Then Duplicate all affected Building Materials, duplicate all affected Composite Structures, and assign the duplicate Composite to one of the adjoining Walls.

Or maybe the easiest it just to draw those lines, as Stephen suggested. (Very unBIM-like, I know).

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

rob2218 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:12:36 GMT

HUBBOY.....2D lines which will need to be kept track of....amongst another 1001 things that need to be kept track of. Humm....seems I need another solution.
I hate the 2D fake out....just doesn't allow me to sleep well at nights knowing there are 2D white fills, and 2D lines mimicing something that "should" know how to represent itself in 2D coming out of the 3D model...hubboy.

laszlonagy wrote:
Then Duplicate all affected Building Materials, duplicate all affected Composite Structures, and assign the duplicate Composite to one of the adjoining Walls.

Or maybe the easiest it just to draw those lines, as Stephen suggested. (Very unBIM-like, I know).

Re: New and Existing - how to show "end" line when

sinceV6 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:24:38 GMT

Hi Rob.

Are you using renovation filters to set up your model view? If you are, it is as simple as using the "Do not intersect" in the additional filter options for your new elements.

Hope that helps.
Best regards.