topic Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects in Documentation

Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Vincent G_ — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 12:22:21 GMT

Hello,

I'm trying to understand if it's possible (and somehow accurate) to schedule some objects volume. Typically joinery items (I'm using Ci Cabinets & Wardrobe 23), and locker 23.
I need to schedule these volumes to make sure we match the min. requirements.

Here is my schedule for the external storage, I'm using Locker 23.

The locker is 1700x875Dx2550H, should be ~3.8m3 brut (without counting the "frame"). I've tested every available volume but the only one working is net: 0.29 with the sum of all of them 4.35m3

Obviously not right. The same happens when I try to do the same for internal storage (wardrobe 23 & Ci cabinet).

Am I missing something? Or is it just that objects can't be scheduled unless GDLed specifically?
I could use zones or columns on a special layer as I used to do but I thought why not trying to directly schedule the object to avoid extra maintenance,

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Rajesh Patil — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:34:58 GMT

Try to use "Classification & Properties" and define a New Property as shown below

Step 1Step 2Step 3Step 4

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Vincent G_ — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:58:04 GMT

@Rajesh Patil , you're a genius man! I did not even think of creating an expression to do that job. Legend! I'll try that this norning

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Vincent G_ — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 00:18:21 GMT

So it works perfectly!

To be a bit more accurate, I added "*0.9) in the expression to take into account the locker frame, (-10%).

For internal storage (robes, storage & kitchen cabinets) that 0.9 value might need to be more like 20%, I might run some testing on that but for now, I'll just add a note in the schedule saying that it's NOM. values only.
As a trick, to schedule a storage area that is not defined by an object (partitions + doors without carcass for instance), I'd use a column on a specific "storage" layer (make sure you define a specific layer intersection & give it a "storage" dedicated material) so you can integrate that to the schedule.

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Laszlo Nagy — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 21:23:33 GMT

@Rajesh Patil

This is a good solution. There is just one thing I do not understand: why do you create a Classification entry called "Volumn"? Or does "Volumn" mean something sensible I am not aware of?

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Rajesh Patil — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:24:40 GMT

Thanx for the appreciation 😊

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Rajesh Patil — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:43:26 GMT

Spelling Mistake 😉 being an architect, some creativity in spellings too 😁

I have created the new Classification "Volume (not Volumn) just for making things easier to understand. Nothing specific though.

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Vincent G_ — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:38:51 GMT

I've myself used furniture rather than a new volume classification. I managed then to get different schedules by entering the right criteria. But Rajesh overall solution is great!

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Rajesh Patil — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:49:58 GMT

you have mentioned "As a trick, to schedule a storage area that is not defined by an object (partitions + doors without carcass for instance), I'd use a column on a specific "storage" layer (make sure you define a specific layer intersection & give it a "storage" dedicated material) so you can integrate that to the schedule. " I am unable to understand this, may be you can elaborate the same with some screenshots if get some free time.

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:08:52 GMT

OK, got it.

Re: Scheduling volume of Joinery & Objects

Vincent G_ — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 23:01:45 GMT

Sure mate, so imagine you got a storage space defined not by a piece of furniture that we could schedule with your expression, but like a tiny room with shelves fixed on the partition for instance, or a cleaner room to store brooms, vacuum and stuff.

The method I was using to schedule storage before you gave me your neat solution was the following:
Placing columns set on a hidden "storage" layer with a specific intersection number to ensure it doesn't mess with anything. Then you create a schedule that will measure the column volume. I usually gave it dedicated material to easily identify them.

You could probably do the same with zones or many other methods, we were using columns back then so we could define specific overrides on a work-view depending on how high they were, their bottom offset, which made it easy to maintain them in the kitchen for instance. If it was a 100mm offset + 800mm high then it was a typical kitchen cabinet, if 1500 offset and 600 high, a top cupboard.