topic Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan? in Documentation

assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 18:27:32 GMT

In plan, I'm expecting to see the wall as solid below 4' & dashed above that datum.

However, it doesn't seem to be doing that...what should I look at to rectify this?

I've rebuilt it several times & I get the same thing. I'm guessing there's a setting I'm missing?

I'm able to delete the linework in the partial plan enlargement, but the plan from which it comes is still "wrong."

Any thoughts on what to look at to resolve this condition?

Thanks up front!

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:40:01 GMT

Walls do not display differently in 2d from solid elements. You will see the difference you're talking about but only if the overall wall height falls above or below the cut plane distance.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Mahmoud Qenawi — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:42:58 GMT

Hi Proto, I think you should change your show projection setting for the wall selected from Entire element to Floor plan range.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:44:48 GMT

This actually won't work as you can't see the solid elements in floor plan view

I usually show difference with the walls using the railing tool and linking it to my stairs since it can cut itself right at the cut plane

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:46:26 GMT

thx for the suggestion

didn't work, unfortunately

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:50:22 GMT

That's what's weird. I think I have my cut plane at 4' above the ground. Ceiling is at 8'-6" for reference.

Below is my Floor Plan Cut Plane dialog

does layering affect whether the SEO operator may not be functioning in the plan view? [just guessing/grasping at straws...]

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Mahmoud Qenawi — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:51:56 GMT

Try to make Relative floor plan range - Show up to Current story and put 4’.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:58:44 GMT

not sure if helpful, but this is the cutting operator

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Steve Jepson — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 22:53:02 GMT

It may also take a 3D view for us to know for sure what your wanting to do. Keep in mind that the Floor Plan view is not and exact Cut Plane View because sometimes it is more useful and efficient to make some exceptions to the rules for the sake of clarity. What I thing you are wanting to do is to show walls correctly on a Floor Plan that are similar to something like this - you can make a truly accurate view of it ( if that is what you really want) with the help of a 3D Cutaway and a 3D Document. But you may also be able to get what you need from a wall or a beam. Here is an example of a wall and a beam of the same dimension in Plan view that can be made to look the same - and that are accurate at the Floor Plan Cut Plane.

The reason to use a wall or a beam, or any other element is because not every element can be displayed on All Stories yet. This is an inconsistency in the program that causes many work-arounds. It is better now than in the past, but still, in 25 we do not have the same control for element display for all elements. When you do ( for some reason) what to use a true Cut Plane for something like a stair with hand railing, you can configure a 3D Cut Plane for the appearance you want, print as a .pdf. Then import that .pdf, explode it, and drag some of the parts you want to the Floor Plan for the desired graphics. Some times that is faster than fussing with the settings which are never quite right anyway. There is always a way to get what you need from Archicad.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 22:15:48 GMT

Here's a 3d view

Just a basement stair that will have storage beneath the stair.

I want the wall to show in plan view that it rises above the cut plane w/ dashed lines...whether that is in concert with how the stair does this is less important...gotta walk before i can run

it shows in 3d & in section, but not in plan yet

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

DGSketcher — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 22:12:44 GMT

AC doesn't show SEO's in plan. What you could do is simply split the wall along it's length and adjust the base height of the upper section to be above the cut plane. It should then display as overhead lines. The SEO's can still be applied for the 3D / section drawings to show correctly.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 22:34:20 GMT

If this is correct, it seems like a serious failing but my perspective is merely as a beginner.

What do experienced people do to get past it? stop using SEO? Use it selectively. Any sloped wall intersection seems to need this operation to maintain parametricity.

Conveniently, I have a building section looking right at this part of the building.

Not sure how to use the SEO stuff just for 3d/section but not plan...? And still have the two hgt walls for the plan?

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 22:39:42 GMT

thank you for your time in trying to explain

i'm going to have to walk thru this separately because it sounds complicated & maybe a pita

my situation is upside down from yours

i'm not so concerned that it's dimensionally accurate at the cut line -- more that i want the GC to not point at it and say "you showed a full hgt wall in the plan & that's what we built"

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Steve Jepson — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 00:10:10 GMT

oh yes. Very common situation. I think you will find that just putting an opening in that wall below the stair will do the trick.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 23:52:57 GMT

how does that work in elevation/section?

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Steve Jepson — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 01:16:56 GMT

it works just as expected. You can adjust and change that kind of opening in a section, elevation, 3d view... just mode the nodes of the opening to where you want them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbNA8G8vBUU

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Vasileios S_ — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 06:13:07 GMT

This is a destructive method, but you can also convert the wall to a morph.

It's better to convert the wall to morph first and then apply SEO.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 15:49:20 GMT

thank you for the explanation, but esp the picture & YT link

i get it now

i appreciate the clarity & extra effort & the fact that you are doing this in what is likely an otherwise busy day (same for all the other respondents, TY!!)

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 20:43:49 GMT

Another method would be to split the Wall in two at the point where the floor plan cutting plane intersects with the lower surface of the slanted cut in the Wall (you can find that point in an Elevation parallel to the Wall), then display the above-cutplane portion as an overhead element, using dashed lines.

Re: assistance w/ SEO wall displaying on floor plan?

proto — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 20:39:38 GMT

ok, i'm still not getting the dashed overhead line.

I created the opening.

In the Opening Selection Settings, I chose:

- chose "No Symbol" for both the Cut & Uncut Symbols.

- changed the linetype of Cut Line to be Hidden

[edit] I changed the Contours on Open Edges to be "Show as Overhead". Now the opening is showing as Hidden in plan view