topic Re: Window schedule not showing related zone in Documentation

Window schedule not showing related zone

Achille Pavlidis — Fri, 26 May 2023 00:10:38 GMT

This is really a big frustration!
I have set a schedule that lists doors and windows. After a lot of trial and error I managed to get all doors to correctly show their related zone name and number.
But not windows!
For some reason unknown a door in the same zone appears correctly on the list with its related zone, but the window next to it, with the same renovation status, position, etc, leaves the cell blank!

Is there any way to fix this???

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Barry Kelly — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:21:11 GMT

I am not sure 'Related Zone' is really a good idea for use with windows and doors.
They should be using the 'To Zone' & 'From Zone' which is based on the orientation location click when you place the door/window.

You will probably find if you add a zone on the outside of the window (where you probably clicked to place the orientation) you will then get a 'Related Zone' as well - which is of course not what you want.

Barry.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Achille Pavlidis — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:47:10 GMT

Hi Barry, thanks for the reply.
I used "Related zone number" because with "From" and "To" I always get some "Undefined" showing up in the schedule which I could't resolve. Maybe it has to do with the fact that this is a renovation project, and all doors and windows are new, but not all zones are new.

Anyway I cannot understand why Related Zones works fine with Doors, and not with windows.

I tried your suggestion, but still I didn't get the result. See attached image. Note that the door and window are placed on the same wall.

Also, why it is not possible to see from the door/window settings the related zone values?

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Barry Kelly — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:25:03 GMT

It seems I was making assumptions about the 'Related Zone'.
I just tested by placing doors and windows with the orientation inside and outside of the zone and the related zone showed for all of them (there is no zone on the outside).
The 'To Zone' and 'From Zone' work as expected with 'Undefined' where there is no zone.

I don't use the renovation filters much but I believe the zones need to be the same status as the doors/windows.

For some reason I can not post any images at the moment.

Barry.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Barry Kelly — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:41:33 GMT

I have changed browsers.
Here is the image.

Barry.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Achille Pavlidis — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:17:23 GMT

Thanks for the replies Barry.

I was going nuts with this because I couldn't understand what was going wrong. So I started a new project from the Graphisoft template. There everything worked as it should, so I started to try and understand what was different from my file.
It turned out the problem was with the zone... For some reason even if I was using the zone stamp from Library 24, the zone was created from an old favorite and didn't relate correctly to windows. Once used the zone from the GS template everything worked fine.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Savino — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:32:21 GMT

Hi everyone,

I am just experiencing the same issue as per this topic.

At this stage, I have read lots of articles from the Graphisoft community in order to understand what could have been the issue but I am still going around the model, checking and comparing parameters without any success.

I have attached a screenshot of my window schedule list, please let me know what else I could provide you in order to understand what could be the issue.

FYI: I have checked the zones heights and location, made sure that the zone stamp touches the walls, etc.

Also, in case it could help, I am working on a BIM cloud.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 03:03:35 GMT

Hi Savino,

Have you tried everything that Achille and Barry are talking about in this thread?

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Savino — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 08:05:55 GMT

Hi Laszlo,

Yes, I have. I believe it is something minor that doesn't allow me to display the zone names on certain windows.

However, I have arranged a call with our Archicad mentor in order to check what is the issue.

On the other side, I would like to ask if there is a way for me to show a column mentioning which window has a blinder. In this project, we are using concealed blinds.

Thank you for your support.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 21:18:42 GMT

I have checked this in AC25 Update 2 and it works for me. The "Related Zone Name" field returns

1. If the Window's Wall has Zones on both sides: the same value as the "From Zone" field.

2. If the Window's Wall has a Zone on one side: the Zone, be it the same value as either the "From Zone" field or the "To Zone" field.

3. If the Window's Wall has no Zone on either side: the value "<Undefined>".

(It would be beneficial for you to include your system specs and Archicad version in your signature. Some of these features have improved in the latest versions.)

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Savino — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 08:25:13 GMT

Dear Laszlo,

Thank you for the info you shared which was very helpful but not successful.

I believe I must experience some major issues which are not directly related to the setup of the zone stamps, windows, etc.

For this reason, our architect has asked our Archicad mentor to have a deeper look at the file in order to have a better understanding.

FYI: I am using Archicad 25 on a macOS Monterey system.

Thank you again for your time.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Barry Kelly — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:36:18 GMT

Are the zones zero height by any chance?

If the window sill is above this zero height they may not register as belonging to the zone.

Barry.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Savino — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:45:36 GMT

Hi Barry,

the zone heights and perimeters have been checked and they are all correct.

Thank you for your support.

Savino

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 02:12:27 GMT

What happens if you try to do this in a brand new file based on the default Archicad Template after a New & Reset? I am curious if this is file-specific or also happens with out-of-the-box settings.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Savino — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:15:33 GMT

I was actually thinking the same.

I just tried to do what you suggested onto a solo project and it is working fine.

It is just frustrating the fact that the file I am dealing with doesn't respond correctly and the issue is still unknown, but I guess I have to find a way around it.

Thank you again for your time and support, I appreciate that.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 15:25:23 GMT

Is this a file by any chance that was migrated from an earlier Archicad version?

You could also contact your local reseller with the file and ask them if there is anything they can do to troubleshoot it.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Savino — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:06:49 GMT

I don't actually know the Archicad version utilized to generate this file.

It is a file given to me by a colleague of mine who asked me to implement the window list into the project.

Also, this file contains a Hotlink module and I don't know if that might be the cause of such a mess.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

James Emmerson — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 00:16:52 GMT

Hi Achille,

It probably doesn't help you now but it might help others in the future.

I was getting the same problem with all windows <undefined> rather than the zone name when using "From Zone". I discovered that the zone layer had to be on, redefine the schedule with current view settings, close and reopen the schedule.

Some still showed <undefined> but I just had to ensure the zone was intersecting the wall by at least 1mm.

May or may not resolve some issues.

James

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

JJMARQUEZ — Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:56:46 GMT

Someone deleted my answer.

Re: Window schedule not showing related zone

Barry Kelly — Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:25:23 GMT

@JJMARQUEZ wrote:

Someone deleted my answer.

I did because you did not reply in English.

This is an English language forum only and we can not accept posts in other languages.

You should have gotten an e-mail notification - in fact 2 because there was 2 posts.

Barry.