topic Camera lens offset in Documentation

Camera lens offset

jc4d — Thu, 05 May 2022 04:44:49 GMT

Hello,

Is it possible to set a camera lens offset in Archicad?

Juan.

Re: Camera lens offset

Lingwisyer — Thu, 05 May 2022 06:49:51 GMT

Sorry, you have lost me... What do you mean by camera lens offset? Is this to do with the Camera Tool? Offset from what?

Ling.

Re: Camera lens offset

jc4d — Thu, 05 May 2022 08:52:26 GMT

Hard to explain, let's say that you have a nice camera set with a good point of view, but there is too much floor an a little bit of sky, so the lens offset will move the camera up or down without affecting the perspective.

Here is an example from Blender:

Original camera:

With lens offset:

As you can see the perspective or camera height hasn't change at all, only the lenses has gotten a offset.

Hope it makes sense 😊

Juan.

Re: Camera lens offset

JohnJay — Thu, 05 May 2022 08:59:48 GMT

Rotate the camera up or down to get your composition, then check the 'Use two point perspective' box in the camera settings

Re: Camera lens offset

Barry Kelly — Thu, 05 May 2022 09:10:52 GMT

The closest I think you can do in Archicad is to elevate the camera (move command).

This will move the camera and target heights by the same amount.

But it will affect your perspective because you are moving the camera.

Otherwise I would just increase the camera height and leave the target height as it is so you are still looking at the same target.

Otherwise, once you place your view on a layout, you can crop the frame.

Or if you are creating an image file (jpg, etc.) you could crop those in editing software.

Barry.

Re: Camera lens offset

jc4d — Thu, 05 May 2022 09:21:16 GMT

Thank you, that did the trick. Althought is not as straight forward as having a dedicated lens offset I get the wanted result.

Re: Camera lens offset

Barry Kelly — Thu, 05 May 2022 09:22:52 GMT

@JohnJay wrote:

Rotate the camera up or down to get your composition, then check the 'Use two point perspective' box in the camera settings

That is a setting in the 3D window, not the actual camera.

You can't save the setting in the camera itself, but you can save it in the view you create from the camera (3D window).

And all all I think it does it to make the vertical edges actually look vertical in 3D.

As soon as you move in 3D it will reset to a regular perspective.

You still can't offset the lens as is wanted (move the image but not the camera - I'm still not sure how that works).

Barry

Re: Camera lens offset

JohnJay — Thu, 05 May 2022 09:47:27 GMT

@Barry Kelly wrote:
all I think it does it to make the vertical edges actually look vertical in 3D.

Lens shift does the same thing. You level the camera so that lines are vertical then shift the image up or down to get the composition

The process in AC is different, but the end result is the same. You rotate the camera up or down for composition (which means the camera is not level and so the verticals converge) and then use the 2 point perspective to straighten the verticals

Moving the camera up or down (rather than rotating) to achieve the composition changes the viewpoint height, which is not desirable in most cases

Re: Camera lens offset

furtonb — Mon, 16 May 2022 14:15:57 GMT

I normally use what is already described here (look up a bit, then use 2 point perspective mode).

"lens shift" is the term in other software to mimic the behaviour of tilt-shift lenses commonly used in architectural photography, the same feature is available in Cinema 4D as "Film Offset" (both in X and Y directions).

the method available in AC is far from viably usable in my opinion, as you can't really control this numerically, you can just eyeball it (so comparing options is hard with the same tilt shift.

my suggestion is to use proper software that let you control compositions with a high degree of control, if you need it. I never do composition work or rendering with Archicad anymore, C4D and Corona is my go-to place. the same issues apply for Twinmotion/Enscape, I find they lack the necessary degree of control.

a solution could be to have the same camera as C4D does (which has this option linked to the camera object, not the view itself), but I don't think it's worth the effort and I wouldn't want to see resources wasted on this, when there are more pressing usability issues.

Re: Camera lens offset

jc4d — Tue, 17 May 2022 04:33:45 GMT

I normally use Blender to mkae the viz, export the model from AC to Blender, sadly in a teamwork project where everyone updates the model constantly they have decided to use enscape for this matter 🙄. Hence the need to try to use "advanced" camera settings inside AC.

Blender being a open source, would be awesome to be able to export the file in blend format natively.

Re: Camera lens offset

furtonb — Wed, 18 May 2022 17:06:57 GMT

...with the ability to update the model (not having to redo all the material assignments, UV corrections, etc.)