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AI and the end of the road for Archicad

gavinNZz — Sun, 04 Dec 2022 20:46:02 GMT

AI tech is moving faster than anything we have seen before. The gains that can be made are so large there is huge money being poured into the development of AI in all industries. Architecture is no different. The video below shows where AI is already at so the next 5 yrs is going to see a big shift in the structure of Architectural practices around the world with a lot of labour intensive drafting processes being replaced with AI. Is GS ready for this transformation? Do they have a strategy in place to ensure they are still going to be relevant in an AI dominated world? Does Nemetschek actually care or will AC just be bleed dry until it becomes irrelevant?

AI will eventually produce the drawings and BIM models without the need for a piece of architectural software so the AC's and Revit's of this day in age will just fade away like the pen and paper before before them.

While we complain about the functions, or lack thereof, in AC, I can see the reasoning for not throwing money at development when the return on investment won't have time to materialize as AI continues to disrupt our industry. Personally I can't see a future for AC, as it currently is, in this new world unless they embrace the AI wave and transform AC into an AI based piece of software. Given this type of transformation would run into the hundreds of millions I just can't see Nemetschek footing the bill.

How do other AC users see themselves placed in this new world? Are you going to be riding the AI wave or will you be left behind? It's a question we all need to be asking ourselves because AI is here and it will affect every aspect of our industry.

https://youtu.be/h-D5-6koRf8

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

DGSketcher — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 00:02:21 GMT

Some Qs looking beyond architecture:

1. Is AI capable of delivering the spark of inspiration for evolution, or does it risk analysing everything down to a simple binary decision? 8 billion copies is far more efficient than 8 billion unique solutions.

2. Is this a sustainable technology? If AI makes everyone's job redundant what do you see yourself doing? Is there a chance humanity will cease to exist as the jobless population is redundant to capitalism and a burden on limited resources. But here's the thing, capitalism thrives on selling & growth, what if there is no-one left buying, the markets are already nervous of a Global recession?

3. Will AI evolve to become an existential threat? WarGames (MGM 1983) anyone?

4. Is there a possibility Terminator (1985) and The Matrix (WB 1999) are already becoming self fulfilling prophesies. Welcome to the MetaVerse...

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

Nathan Hildebrandt — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 00:34:30 GMT

Firstly I don't think at this stage I would call it AI, but rather machine learning (in our field anyway). There are a lot of cool pieces of tech out there that do small portions of work, that I find really exciting, and they are being backed by a lot of money in the VC space. There will always be a place for tools like Archicad, Revit etc. There will be automation put in place to remove the mundane tasks we don't want to complete each day or speed up the process in which we do things.

Some examples.

Testfit - automatically creates optimised layouts for buildings and car parking based on requirements set by the user before they commence. Clifton and his team just got another big cash injection in the last couple of months. https://testfit.io/

Augmenta - led by Francesco has been developing a tool to automate the modelling of building services and optimise them. They are pretty early in their journey but I do see them growing and being embraced by services engineers that are fed up with Architects moving things around, and expecting the services guys to move things quickly and easily. https://www.augmenta.ai/

Hosta.ai is a really powerful tool that is using photos to determine materials and quantities for insurance claims. It is a tool I am keen to diversify into the construction and defects inspection space. https://hosta.ai/

ClearEdge3D - Take point cloud captures and convert most elements, mainly structure and services into model elements. There are not many automatic modelling tools out there at the moment, a lot is still manual tracing. https://www.clearedge3d.com/

Above are only a few of the really powerful tools that we will need to engage with moving into the future. The challenge for software like Archicad and Revit is how they integrate with all of these tools. If there is no connection then they will indeed die off.

I am excited to move into the future. My time is valuable after being in the game for 20 years, so if I can automate cheap tasks, through automation or machine learning I really look forward to embracing it.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 01:56:23 GMT

I think regardless of anything the question becomes cost. Who will be able to afford the new tech? And even that there will be many fully against a computer generated outcome. I think this is relevant but it's going to be longer to initiate and maintain for our profession than others.

Archicad can do x if an "AI* can only do x then we will all be here on the same boat in the future lol

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 02:05:27 GMT

@gavinNZz wrote:

AI tech is moving faster than anything we have seen before. The gains that can be made are so large there is huge money being poured into the development of AI in all industries. Architecture is no different. The video below shows where AI is already at so the next 5 yrs is going to see a big shift in the structure of Architectural practices around the world ...

https://youtu.be/h-D5-6koRf8

The video is a joke, right? Seriously, what is the mocked-up "AI" doing...with what input?

Seems like smoke and mirrors and venture capital...

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

Nathan Hildebrandt — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 02:35:14 GMT

I think there are some smoke and mirrors, to be honest. There has to be a lot of prior projects completed to inform that documentation. AIDEA does have some cool APIs that they have developed to speed up the documentation process, from layout creation, view placement, automated notation and dimensioning.

I have a contact in the VC space at Bricks and Mortar, but I find the public research that is released from Shadow Ventures is pretty accurate and a good insight into the current direction that software and hardware are taking in the AEC space.

https://shadow.vc/

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

ryejuan — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 06:12:20 GMT

Or will be the human species end up like in this movie Idiocracy🤔

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

DGSketcher — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 09:42:47 GMT

I do hope the dystopian future I implied above, and the natural tenacity of the human species to survive guides us on a more palatable path. Nathan's pointers to new tools and technologies is more realistic than the prospect of AI taking over the construction industry. The key point in those links is the intent of software to assist; it is still reliant on human intervention and not autonomous, thus avoiding a kick back from the prospect of mass human redundancy.

What troubles me more at this point is the current disconnect between design software developers and what happens on an average building site. It would appear that even with class leading AC, there isn't a particularly good grasp on the day to day drafting process by the software developers, and that is further frustrated by a generation of building designers with minimal site experience, who seem to lack a basic understanding of gravity or the use of building materials. Until these issues are addressed I don't expect to see a huge shift in software development, the growth area will be limited to specialist solutions.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

Patrick M — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:27:02 GMT

let's not forget that this is where "AI" is at. https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/13/loab-ai-generated-horror/
We don't understand it enough to let it take over much more or our lives than a simple thought experiment at this point. Relying on "AI" (as Nathan pointed out, it's machine based learning, not actual intelligence) for something with as much liability as a $50m project is reckless at a minimum.

I do think AI CAN be a relevant tool. I think it eventually WILL be. I don't think it spells the end of Archicad, or Revit, or any other tool. You still use a pencil/pen, right? Like every day? Even though you have a computer that has all the software to replace it?

Nah; AI will not kill design/documentation software. In fact, we will need quality software even more when we start relying on computers to do the menial tasks via AI.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

Patrick M — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:29:16 GMT

Yeah, i'm not 100% convinced that video IS an AI representation, TBH. it seems more likely someone just 3x sped a video walking through their model/documents/pdf and said "look what AI did!" (I may have been missing something; but there wasn't any audio... so...)

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

egyrevit — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 08:52:42 GMT

in the same account other videos you will see how they modelled the building from scratch and in the same video you find find out that there is a tap for the app prepared file.

how to decide requirements? calculations? engineer have to be placed at every time and every where

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

jl_lt — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 22:05:06 GMT

Will AI deal with angry clients in the middle of the night or with anxiety ridden clients who are not sure if the design will please their friends and family (even though those people probably have no stake or money on the project)?. Will AI tell the client, "hey! out of the 1 billion design solutions i generated in 27 seconds, THIS one is the one you need."

When AI can do all that then yeah, we are done. Until then, i think there is plenty of work to do: with, without and along AI.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

jl_lt — Sun, 18 Jun 2023 20:19:23 GMT

i was spending some time (not much) reading about Grasshopper and watching videos about it, but with the advent of all these AI advancements it might be completely unnecesary now.

On the other hand, i can see integration platforms, like Archicad and Revit, will still have their place even if modelling occurs somewhere else. Maybe AI will eventually help with format and file extensions in the sense of achieving universal compatibility among software.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

jl_lt — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 22:22:00 GMT

@gavinNZz I dont know anything about programming, but i think this could be done with Archicad NOW with some sub routines and a few input from the user, like automatically stablishing dimensioning lines, apropiately cropped layouts, automatic stair plans, etc. the AIDEA videos show some truth in this.

still very pretty, and i hope we get there documentation wise.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

hevi — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 21:58:23 GMT

Or maybe AI will help with writing code for an application that truly aids us in the design process - would be nice to see some of the true potential of computer aided design before being relegated to the sidelines 😖

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

jl_lt — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 22:29:35 GMT

Totally! actually the CAD Acronym, which i never liked, might finally become what it should always have been: instead of Computer Aided Design it finally becomes Computer Augmented Design.

Best fictional example i can remember: Tony Stark working with Jarvis in iron man 1 while designing the suit. The computer did basically everything, but Tony still told it what to do... That´s one thing i dont see changing for the time being. But AI will of course provide the illusion of doing things out of the blue; its up to us to remain in charge of the show

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

cocoloco — Fri, 12 Jul 2024 03:04:00 GMT

With so many endless workarounds that takes billion of time to learn as they aren’t intuitive, I can’t wait for more AI and intuitive softwares to come to life. Whether it’s archicad or other I am supporting this development . There is absolutely no reason to waste time on workarounds in 2024. (Why at slab is possible to easily add curve from front but can’t be added on bottom or profile? ⛪️

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

ryejuan — Fri, 12 Jul 2024 09:58:59 GMT

How about now AI being added to your smart watches, mobiles phones and email as well.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

cocoloco — Fri, 12 Jul 2024 14:36:19 GMT

I don’t mind it, if it’s smart and help me to be efficient why not. In fact I think we will learn a lot ourselves from AI. For example, I sometimes use chat gpt to write emails regarding products development/marketing and such and it does help and bring new ideas on the table for sure.

Re: AI and the end of the road for Archicad

ryejuan — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 03:33:28 GMT

But you are not concerned that one day AI will do something funny with all the data that they have that will affect you in certain ways? I mean maybe not in our life time but later down the road... 😅