topic Re: Door MVO not working in Documentation

Door MVO not working

MGA — Mon, 22 May 2023 21:54:19 GMT

Hello. I have one file where I cannot get my doors / windows to display properly in 3D according to my MVO settings. The issue is that in 3D view, they all appear as 'simplified', regardless of my MVO settings. I have used this function without issue in all my other projects so I'm fairly certain I have my settings as they should be:

Hinged door settings > Door settings and openings > Detail level > 3D detail level > set to 'by MVO'
Hinged door settings > Model attributes > 3D detail level > set to 'by MVO'
Hinged door settings > Model attributes > Override MVO for door 3D projections > box is NOT checked
Document > Model view options > Detail level of door, window, etc... > 3D and Section / Elevation > Full

In addition, I have the following observations:

The MVO overrides are working as they should in elevations. It is only 3D view that is not working.
If I manually change the 3D detail level in the door settings, (e.g. to 'Full') they display properly in 3D

Screenshots of my MVO settings, and door 3D detail settings showing 'Full' vs 'by MVO' attached.

I'm not sure what else to try or how to troubleshoot this further. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance

Re: Door MVO not working

Lee Hankins — Fri, 17 Feb 2023 16:09:09 GMT

Is the 3D window set to use the correct MVO in the Quick Settings area at the bottom of the window? The Floor Plan and 3D windows can have different settings. If you are using a View in the Navigator to open the 3D window, does that View have the correct MVO selected?

Re: Door MVO not working

MGA — Fri, 17 Feb 2023 16:27:31 GMT

Hi Lee, thanks for your reply. Yes the Quick settings is set to the correct MVO, as is the view in navigator.

I have also checked the issue by setting up different MVO parameters - one for 'full' and one for 'simplified' and changing between them whilst in the 3d view. As predicted, nothing happens. When I do the same thing in elevation view the overrides work as they should.

This indicates to me tells me that I have everything set up as it should be, and there is something that is preventing the MVO from working properly in the 3D view.

Re: Door MVO not working

BrunoH — Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:46:16 GMT

Hello,

Maybe it's the MVO itself ?

I have had the same problem of MVO not working on plan view but working properly on over view.

The only way to correct it that i have found is to delete the concerned MVO Set and reimport the same MVO from another project. When doing that don't forget to correct the saved views that where using the old MVO as it will be marquee as missing for them.

Re: Door MVO not working

MGA — Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:38:39 GMT

Hi BrunoH, thank you for your reply. This was an interesting idea that I had not thought of. The resulting behaviour is bizarre indeed.

I deleted the MVO that was applied to the view. Nothing happened.
I deleted every MVO from the project, and the doors appeared in 3D fully detailed!
- I have subsequently discovered that I can't delete ALL of the MVO options and one must remain. When I remove all but one (MVO 01), this one functions as it should, that is:
- I change the setting in MVO 01 to simplified and the 3D display changed accordingly - everything working as it should. I then reverted back to Full with no issues.
I created a second MVO setting (MVO 02) with 3D display set to simplified. This did not work. I changed the settings in MVO 01 and the functionality remained.
I deleted MVO 01. MVO 02 now functions properly.
I created a new MVO 03, it did not function. Functionality of MVO 02 remained.
I deleted MVO 02. MVO 03 now functions properly.
I created a new MVO 04, it did not function. Functionality of MVO 02 remained.
etc...

In conclusion it appears that in this file, the 3D setting for the doors and window is being controlled exclusively by the first or oldest MVO setting that exists within the project file at any one time. Subsequent MVO options do not function correctly. When previous MVO settings are deleted, the 'oldest' MVO setting takes precedence.

I am unsure how to proceed now, as I would like to resolve this issue however I am fairly certain at this point that it is not user error, but a a bug that is specific to this file. The behaviour does not occur in my other projects. Is there a mechanism for me to submit my file to Graphisoft or am I on my own here?

Thanks in advance...

Re: Door MVO not working

Lee Hankins — Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:48:13 GMT

Have you tried closing the file down in Archicad and then navigating to File, Open and select the file but make sure you select the option to 'Open and Repair'?

Re: Door MVO not working

Jim Allen — Thu, 18 May 2023 10:42:51 GMT

I have a similar issue - but with Railings.

I have created a new MVO and set the detail level to be full. It's always railings.

In fact railings always create problems for me in AC25.

Seems to be just a Mac-specific thing. It's a chronic problem because restarting AC doesn't fix it.

Re: Door MVO not working

Barry Kelly — Fri, 19 May 2023 01:27:43 GMT

Are you sure the railing issue is not a Graphical Override or Renovation Filter Override?

Railing components can have different renovation status to the actual complete railing.

Barry.

Re: Door MVO not working

Jim Allen — Fri, 19 May 2023 08:48:06 GMT

Yes - I've checked everything. Changing MVOs doesn't seem to change the display, so I think it's a file-glitch. The file originated from a template from AC25, so I suspect there might be some random weirdness introduced.

I do get these from time to time, and they don't manifest on colleagues' Windows machines.

Weird.

I've cut and pasted the geometry into a new file (MVOs and GOs are almost never modified) and it's working fine now.

There are so many little settings and subtleties in Archicad that it's easy to miss stuff. I also checked the renovation filters.

Re: Door MVO not working

MLWheeler — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 10:46:08 GMT

Hi, I seem to have developed a similar issue in a file I am using: MVO seems to have absolutely no effect in 3D. 2D working fine.

Did you manage to get anywhere with support?

Re: Door MVO not working

Jim Allen — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 09:11:56 GMT

No actually - it seems to be some kind of file-specific corruption. I have AC27 Technology Preview installed now, I'll see if that fixes it.

Re: Door MVO not working

MLWheeler — Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:00:08 GMT

Hi,

I have been working with support to solve this and finally have an answer. I was asked to 'open and repair' which fixed the issue and I can now use MVO with no issues.

[Performing] "open and repair" on the project. Please follow these steps:

Go to the "File" menu.
Select "Open" and then choose "Open" again.
Once the open dialog appears, locate and highlight your project.
Check the option to "open and repair" the selected project.

Marcus

Re: Door MVO not working

MLWheeler — Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:01:19 GMT

Hi Jim -- Issue solved. I have commented separately on the original thread.

Best

Marcus

Re: Door MVO not working

Richard Swann — Wed, 08 May 2024 17:18:25 GMT

Just to bump this thread, I have a similar problem with AC27 Solo. Door elevation/ 3D detail settings in MVO's - one set stopped working while another still worked, then also stopped working ( no full view of doors in elevations/ 3D).

Tried to reopen and repair the file but 'repair process failed' and 'cannot read file'.

Subsequently simple 'open file' did open the file but problem remained.

Clearing all MVO's, importing new MVO's didn't clear the problem.

Any suggestions welcome. I have had this problem on another file in AC26 some time ago so pretty sure it's a multi-version glitch.