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Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 14:34:09 GMT

Hello to all, I'm new to the forum.

During the initial design phase it frequently happens to have two or three alternative solutions on several design problems.

Let's say I am designing an apartment and I want to show to my client two different bathroom layout or room position, keeping the rest as it is.

Working on two different files is not a solution because I still want, let's say, the living room to be updated on both the plans...

Is there an easy way to keep several design versions in the same file?

Another related example is editing a part of the drawing but keeping a backup copy of the previous design. I don't want to create a new file every time!

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Barry Kelly — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 00:54:46 GMT

To keep it all in one file you could try ...

Layers - duplicate layers and turn them on/off for alternative designs.

Modules - save each design as a module that you can swap in and out - again you can have a new master layer for each module that you can turn on/off. This way you only need one extra layer for each module.

Renovation filters - not recommended but some have use existing, new and demo to display up to 3 alternate designs.

Barry.

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:06:40 GMT

Thank you Barry for kind reply!!

I would prefer not to duplicate layers because it creates a mess!

I'm going to try the module solution! Never heard about it!

There is also someone using the Model View to swap between versions. I still didn't get exactly how but it look as interesting as your solution!

Here is a screenshot
http://www.lucamanelli.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Versioni_progetto_Viste.jpg

Thanks again
A

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Barry Kelly — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 01:00:45 GMT

The views in the View Map simply store a certain layer combination, scale, pen set, MVO combination, reno filter, graphic override, structure display and dimension style.

This allows you to save the same plan with any of these options set differently.
So for example it is the quick way to change between floor plans using different a layer combination that shows the different plan options without having to manually swap the layer combination yourself.
You can then place each of these views on a layout to show each of the alternate designs at the same time.

Using modules allows you to model each of the alternate designs in the same layers but when you place the model you will need only one new layer for each design so that you can place them in this 'master' layer which can be turned on or off as required - again save each design as a new view with a different layer combination.
Each layer combination turns on all your regular layers plus one of the 'master' layers. This way you will have a layer combination for each alternate design and you save multiple views of the plan - each using a different layer combination for your alternate designs.

Barry.

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

DGSketcher — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 13:22:03 GMT

I prefer to use the renovation filters for simple options. You are not limited to the three filters. It possible to create variations and then use the "show on current renovation filter only" option.

It will depend on the extent of the various design options which would work best in each case. For room layouts I would look at the renovation or layers option and keep everything in one file.

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Andre_Steynberg — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:45:03 GMT

I frequently come across this in a current project of mine (15 different houses in one file), I need to show a different layout to bathrooms or kitchens.

I marquee and copy the room in question to a worksheet, named say Option A or B, do my proposed layout then overlay it on my floor plan.
Once the client agrees to Option A or B, I overlay the trace on my "Live" floor plan and delete the worksheets.

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

gpowless — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:59:58 GMT

What we need is what we once had.

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=44562#44562

Looks like it was killed because it wasn't compatible with Teamwork.

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Ruben V — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:56:56 GMT

horeau wrote:
Thank you Barry for kind reply!!
I would prefer not to duplicate layers because it creates a mess!

Not when you use the layer extensions in archicad - or at least it's "less" messy

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:03:29 GMT

Looks like every solution is kind of a workaround. It's a shame they didn't address this need properly. Maybe I should write something in the Wishes area!

Re: Keep several design alternatives in the same file

Anonymous — Fri, 05 May 2017 13:09:23 GMT

Barry wrote:
To keep it all in one file you could try ...

Layers - duplicate layers and turn them on/off for alternative designs.

Modules - save each design as a module that you can swap in and out - again you can have a new master layer for each module that you can turn on/off. This way you only need one extra layer for each module.

Renovation filters - not recommended but some have use existing, new and demo to display up to 3 alternate designs.

Barry.

I will investigate the Modules method...I have although a question about annotations:
How annotations behave with modules lets say you have keynotes on one of the details from option A when you swap to Option B what happen to those notes do you need to set up specific layer combinations per option?

Thanks in advance for any help - I started ArchiCAD (v20) 2 months ago after 15 years on Revit...