topic Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts in Documentation

Drawing Jumping On Layouts

timmit — Wed, 12 Jun 2024 10:29:16 GMT

Hi,

Does anyone else have an issue where when a drawing is placed on a sheet, the drawing will randomly move relative to the crop? It generally happens when the drawing is redefined, however sometimes it is just when new geometry is added outside of the crop.

I have tried other closed forum topic suggestions such as:

- Drawing internal origin on / off - Neither option prevents this. On side note, I assume "On' is generally the recommended?

- Tried 'ignore zoom and rotation' On/Off - No difference.

The geometry is close to the origin. I have repaired the file. Screen resolution and window size have not changed if that matters?

The strange part is, It doesn't seem to affect all our files or all layouts within a file.

I imagine using a layer combination and not redefining would solve half of the instances, but is this the only way?

Thanks in advance

Operating system used: Mac Apple Silicon 14 Sonoma

Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts

MarcAHH — Tue, 22 Oct 2024 13:51:47 GMT

Hi There

Did you make any progress with the issue? I’m facing the same problem on our project and haven't received any good resolution from Graphisoft in the past two weeks.

Would love to hear if you’ve found any solutions!

Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts

timmit — Tue, 22 Oct 2024 21:47:21 GMT

No luck unfortunately.

I cannot predict when it will occur and when it won't. I've tried to recreate it and tried all settings variables. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.

We use teamwork but it does happen on solo projects too.

I've been looking for a solution (whether it is my workflow or bug fix) for years. Having said that, i've found it occurs slightly less often in v25.

Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts

Lingwisyer — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 09:18:17 GMT

It generally happens when the drawing is redefined, however sometimes it is just when new geometry is added outside of the crop

~~Set the place Drawing to use Internal Origin.~~

Ling.

ps. Woops. Mentioned in OP...

Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts

LucaP — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:55:57 GMT

Hi @timmit,

I don't know if my thinking is correct here but we could give it a try.

Are your drawings slightly rotated during this "jumping procedure"?

Whenever you save a view you save a bunch of settings with it - including view rotation. It saves that rotation even if you Check Ignore zoom and rotation when opening that view, since as it is stated, it only ignores it when opening the view. When you place a drawing on a Layout for the first time you place it with its saved rotation so no problem here, you place a drawing, align the borders and that's it.

But then, while working, let's say you need to update some settings like change a Layer Combination or Pen Sets, so you set it correctly and use Apply Current View Settings command. You don't care about your current view orientation since you've checked to ignore it. But that current orientation is saved in the view anyway. You just don't know it since you don't have any information about Saved Views orientation in degrees for example. (I've made a wish regarding that issue because it can really become annoying - Saved view orientation and zoom setting )

Then when you get back on a layout your drawing realigns itself to match the Saved View orientation (even though you didn't want to change it) around a given point. Using internal origin point can actually makes things worse if it's located outside your drawing - it then gets rotated around that point so a difference of even 1 degree can cause havoc on your Drawing resulting in a blank page.

In conclusion - redefining a drawing using Apply Current View setting saves ALL the settings of a current view - even the rotation, so perhaps this is the cause of your issue.

Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts

MarcAHH — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 08:04:51 GMT

I’ve tried that along with all the other settings, but nothing seems to work. I suspect the model might be corrupted. I’ll try to marquee the whole model and transfer it to a fresh template.

Re: Drawing Jumping On Layouts

timmit — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 21:39:49 GMT

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

I don't ever have any issues with the drawing rotating (not even slightly) so maybe like MarcAHH it could be due to a corrupted file too?

I even sometimes get the problem when I relink drawings from different stories. For example, L2 may be shifted off the page by 100m, the rest of the levels, no issues. L2 would be setup exactly the same settings too.

Our current workaround is to create one view, duplicate and create custom layer combinations and never use 'redefine' settings or create any new views (unless they are duplicated from the original). This doesn't fix it 100% but better than before.